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2015-2016: Preseason Game 3 - San Francisco 49ers @ Denver Broncos

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Re: 2015-2016: Preseason Game 3 - San Francisco 49ers @ Denver Broncos 

Post#141 » by Pattersonca65 » Mon Aug 31, 2015 3:38 pm

Tomikcon1971 wrote:I think there is some promise in the young DBs and safeties but a few points......

----Peyton looked off all night.
----Denver isn't going to show all its wrinkles in preseason.
----There's not a ton of tape on our new DBs. Opposing teams will study that as the season goes on as well. Cooper (cut by us, picked up by Chiefs) looked awesome early on but was getting abused by the end of the season.
----we need a pass rush. I don't care who's back there we need more pressure.

We shall see.....


Is there really that much to a DB? Either he can cover or he can't. If a DB can go step for step with a star WR it says something regardless of preseason
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Re: 2015-2016: Preseason Game 3 - San Francisco 49ers @ Denver Broncos 

Post#142 » by wco81 » Mon Aug 31, 2015 4:12 pm

Technique separates the avg. CB from the elite shutdowns.

Revis can hand battle with most WRs all game long, every game.

Peterson has elite speed and size but hasn't refined his technique.

But I guess a lot of CBs are chosen for acceleration, short area bursts to recover, etc. with the assumption that technique can be taught over elite athleticism.
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Re: 2015-2016: Preseason Game 3 - San Francisco 49ers @ Denver Broncos 

Post#143 » by CrimsonCrew » Mon Aug 31, 2015 5:56 pm

The D should be fine, if not elite. This game really made me miss Aldon, though, cause with him I think we are an elite unit. It's worth noting that Lynch didn't get a ton of snaps as the coaches wanted a good long look at Harold and Lemonier.

The OL is a disaster. We need Brandon Thomas in the starting five, either at LG with Boone at RG, or at RG instead of Silberman. Silberman had some nice blocks in the run game, but he's a total liability in pass blocking. There's no way Thomas could be any worse. Silberman and Pears next to each other was a nightmare. We can't go into the regular season with that.
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Re: 2015-2016: Preseason Game 3 - San Francisco 49ers @ Denver Broncos 

Post#144 » by CalamityX12 » Mon Aug 31, 2015 5:58 pm

cant wait to see the replay at midnight ET on the network...!!!
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Re: 2015-2016: Preseason Game 3 - San Francisco 49ers @ Denver Broncos 

Post#145 » by CrimsonCrew » Mon Aug 31, 2015 10:21 pm

Something that struck me during the game while watching Brock Osweiler. He made several nice throws just before getting hit. I've raised this before. This is an absolutely essential skill in the NFL, as you just don't get a clean pocket often enough to be a good NFL QB without being able to get off good throws under pressure. I don't know that I've ever seem Kap do it. This season, that skill is going to be imperative if we want to have any success on offense.
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Re: 2015-2016: Preseason Game 3 - San Francisco 49ers @ Denver Broncos 

Post#146 » by Tomikcon1971 » Mon Aug 31, 2015 10:38 pm

@PFF_Jeff: Colin Kaepernick has been pressured on 55.6% of his dropbacks in the preseason, highest percentage of any starting quarterback. #49ers
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Re: 2015-2016: Preseason Game 3 - San Francisco 49ers @ Denver Broncos 

Post#147 » by Jikkle » Mon Aug 31, 2015 11:31 pm

CrimsonCrew wrote:Something that struck me during the game while watching Brock Osweiler. He made several nice throws just before getting hit. I've raised this before. This is an absolutely essential skill in the NFL, as you just don't get a clean pocket often enough to be a good NFL QB without being able to get off good throws under pressure. I don't know that I've ever seem Kap do it. This season, that skill is going to be imperative if we want to have any success on offense.


Mobile QBs struggle with that skill because they have the option to try and tuck and run where pure pocket QBs have no choice but to make the throw.

The issue right now is the kind of pressure Kap is seeing he doesn't really have much of a chance to stand tall in the pocket and make a throw while taking a hit. It's snap the ball, drop back, duck, duck, duck, and get sacked right now.
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Re: 2015-2016: Preseason Game 3 - San Francisco 49ers @ Denver Broncos 

Post#148 » by Tomikcon1971 » Mon Aug 31, 2015 11:31 pm

Pattersonca65 wrote:
Tomikcon1971 wrote:I think there is some promise in the young DBs and safeties but a few points......

----Peyton looked off all night.
----Denver isn't going to show all its wrinkles in preseason.
----There's not a ton of tape on our new DBs. Opposing teams will study that as the season goes on as well. Cooper (cut by us, picked up by Chiefs) looked awesome early on but was getting abused by the end of the season.
----we need a pass rush. I don't care who's back there we need more pressure.

We shall see.....


Is there really that much to a DB? Either he can cover or he can't. If a DB can go step for step with a star WR it says something regardless of preseason


I don't think it's that simple. Even the best DBs can't cover for extended periods of there is no pass rush. Coverage breaks down.

We resurrected Carlos Rogers career a few years ago. His coverage skills didn't change. He had a better team around him and our front four could get to the passer.

And it's not just about coverage. What about run support? Or being able to pick up on the play? What route? Run or pass? Etc.
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Re: 2015-2016: Preseason Game 3 - San Francisco 49ers @ Denver Broncos 

Post#149 » by Jikkle » Mon Aug 31, 2015 11:43 pm

Tomikcon1971 wrote:@PFF_Jeff: Colin Kaepernick has been pressured on 55.6% of his dropbacks in the preseason, highest percentage of any starting quarterback. #49ers


Pears graded out at -3.1 and Silberman graded out at -2.1 both had a pass blocking grade of -1.9

Pears is a complete waste of money and a waste of a roster spot. He was terrible at G last season so I don't see how anyone thought he could function at T.

He can join Wright being among the guys Baalke thought he could turn trash into treasure. Sometimes trash is just trash.
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Re: 2015-2016: Preseason Game 3 - San Francisco 49ers @ Denver Broncos 

Post#150 » by Tomikcon1971 » Tue Sep 1, 2015 12:28 am

Jikkle wrote:
Tomikcon1971 wrote:@PFF_Jeff: Colin Kaepernick has been pressured on 55.6% of his dropbacks in the preseason, highest percentage of any starting quarterback. #49ers


Pears graded out at -3.1 and Silberman graded out at -2.1 both had a pass blocking grade of -1.9

Pears is a complete waste of money and a waste of a roster spot. He was terrible at G last season so I don't see how anyone thought he could function at T.

He can join Wright being among the guys Baalke thought he could turn trash into treasure. Sometimes trash is just trash.


Wright was clearly another reclamation CB but he's awful. Didn't get that signing from day one. And if we are going to be blitzing more this year you can't put him on an island. No way.

Everytime I hear Pears name I throw up a little bit. What the heck was Trent thinking? He has to go along with Dahl.

Our OL needs to get squared away ASAP. And this no audible bs in preseason is dumb. Hello.....by game 3 of a 16 game season everyone will have plenty of tape to study on everyone.

I'd rather have an offense in rhythm and primed going into the season than the Area 51 secrecy offense who will have one easy to spot tendency.....it will suck balls.
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Re: 2015-2016: Preseason Game 3 - San Francisco 49ers @ Denver Broncos 

Post#151 » by ChrisPozz » Tue Sep 1, 2015 3:32 am

Pro Football Focus:

Here are the top takeaways from Saturday night’s 49ers-Broncos game, including the highest-graded players for each team:

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–LB NaVorro Bowman put together some impressive displays against Denver. He finished the game with six stops, including two sacks, and also a QB hurry. He did fail to get off blocks in the run game a few times, but overall he looks well on his way back to his pre-injury form.

–San Francisco’s two rookies in the front seven struggled Saturday night. First-round pick Arik Armstead followed up his +2.6 overall graded performance in Week 2 with a -2.5 overall grade against the Broncos, as he struggled to shed blocks in the run game. Third-round edge rusher Eli Harold didn’t register a pressure on 16 pass rushes, missed a tackle, and was penalized for a neutral-zone infraction. His -3.5 overall grade was easily his lowest to date.

–Second-round pick Jaquiski Tartt earned a positive grade for the third-straight game. Tartt has allowed three catches for 28 yards, and just two total yards after the catch, on 61 snaps in coverage. He currently sits as the second-highest-graded safety this preseason (+4.3) heading into Sunday’s final two games.

Top 5 graded players:

CB Kenneth Acker (+2.3)

LB Shayne Skov (+1.8)

G Alex Boone (+1.6)

TE Vernon Davis (+1.2)

S Jaquiski Tartt (+1.2)
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Re: 2015-2016: Preseason Game 3 - San Francisco 49ers @ Denver Broncos 

Post#152 » by CalamityX12 » Tue Sep 1, 2015 4:47 am

Pears is a 12th man for the defense.....

That is a bad omen imo.
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Re: 2015-2016: Preseason Game 3 - San Francisco 49ers @ Denver Broncos 

Post#153 » by Ray_Dogg » Tue Sep 1, 2015 3:04 pm

Pears and Wright were awful signings from day 1. Do not understand. Pears even as a backup was moronic imo. The guy is atrocious.
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Re: 2015-2016: Preseason Game 3 - San Francisco 49ers @ Denver Broncos 

Post#154 » by Ray_Dogg » Tue Sep 1, 2015 3:07 pm

They could have spent that coin on Mathis stuck him at G and played Boone at RT.
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Re: 2015-2016: Preseason Game 3 - San Francisco 49ers @ Denver Broncos 

Post#155 » by wco81 » Tue Sep 1, 2015 3:08 pm

Maybe cap-strapped?

Or the crack analytics dept. thought they were getting great value from other teams' scraps?
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Re: 2015-2016: Preseason Game 3 - San Francisco 49ers @ Denver Broncos 

Post#156 » by CalamityX12 » Tue Sep 1, 2015 3:58 pm

The OL is in bad shape. Throw in the new "proctection scheme" its going to be a mess til hopefully after mid season. It may be too late but that might be the time everything will start clicking.

of course i'm shooting for the moon here.
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Re: 2015-2016: Preseason Game 3 - San Francisco 49ers @ Denver Broncos 

Post#157 » by CalamityX12 » Tue Sep 1, 2015 3:59 pm

OL Cuts though, along with pass rushers, I'm keeping an eye out for from the other teams... I may not even care if its a project.
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Re: 2015-2016: Preseason Game 3 - San Francisco 49ers @ Denver Broncos 

Post#158 » by RedneckNiner » Thu Sep 3, 2015 12:42 am

I don't see why Thomas is being greoomed to back up LG him or Brown or hell anyone on the right side of the line would help. Pears, Devey and Silberman would do better if they fell face first on every play and at least made the defender hurdle them.Kaep goes from being a barely average passer with time to downright awful when he gets pressured... Hell he'd be better served learning how to read defenses better and when he sees blitz just take off running the ball on a QB keep... But with the right side of the line they might want to keep A third QB for when Kaep and Gabbert go down...

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