Trade Idea Thread II

[mattd13]

I do not know why anyone would think lance would help the clips. he is a mess and no one really wants him. I am sure MJ wishes he could get his money back. I am sure matt and cp3 would argue about the clips needing a tough guy!!!! plus the team will have trouble trading for anyone who could help because of money.

[Lindecision]

the team will have trouble trading for anyone who could help because of money.

Its more to do with a lack of assets. As things stands, its highly unlikely we'll be able to trade for anyone good. Lance is one of the few impact guys we could get because of his depreciated value.

[mattd13]

I believe the assets we have are worth more without the drama. I always thought why buy the trouble.

[Ranma]

Adrian Wojnarowski, Yahoo! Sports (12/18/14)

Boston has been consistently shopping forward Jeff Green, trying to acquire a package that includes a first-round draft pick, sources said. Boston has been unable to find that in return for Green, but it is expected the Celtics will keep working to find a deal for Green before the February trade deadline.

Sources: Celtics deal Rajon Rondo to Mavs


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[Sofia]

Oh man I was coming to post we should watch for Nelson as a buyout target to upgrade on Farmar. Thought I was breaking ground and everything

[LACtdom]

Unlikely but Jeff Green would be lovely. With Dallas acquiring Rondo, the West just got tougher to crack the top 4.

[mttwlsn16]

Just read that Farmar is not happy with his role and playing time. Moron, you signed with a team that has Chris Paul at PG, wtf did he expect? Anywho, maybe we can find him a home where he can play more, and be part of a salary match to try to shore up our 3 spot?

[Ranma]

Fred Katz, ClipperBlog.com (12/19/14)

2. Should Wilson Chandler be the Clippers’ No. 1 target on the trade market?
Walker: Given Chandler’s reasonable contract, that also happens to be non-guaranteed for next year , I’d say he’s likely to be the target of any competitive teams in need of a wing. Chandler has always been a somewhat frustrating player given all the various skills he possesses on offense. But this season, the threes are going down, his post game is reliable and he has a good enough handle to beat larger forwards off the dribble. He’s a tad shaky on defense but athletic enough to be useful in a good system.

Katz: Yes. Chandler hasn’t often been used to his strengths on the offensive end, considering he’s consistently been on underwhelming teams throughout his career. Imagine him in the Matt Barnes role: nailing threes from the corner (he’s consistently well over 40 percent on corner threes), occasionally handling the ball and creating secondary options off plays for J.J. Redick. On top of that, he’d become the best wing defender on the team upon his arrival.

James: He’s the most obvious fit: a strong small forward who can defend and shoot (dude has an effective field goal percentage of 73 on open shots!). If the Clippers can do this while keeping Matt Barnes (say, parting with Jamal Crawford and Reggie Bullock), they’d suddenly have two solid wing defenders. And “make Barnes beat you” would no longer be a viable strategy for opponents.

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[Forte IV]

Trade Farmar to Philly. Let him rot.

[Ranma]

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[thanumba2clippersfan]

I didn't realize that Farmar was unhappy, I say trade him if he doesn't want to be with the team. It is strange since he decided to sign here and he knows that Chris Paul is our starter. Farmar isn't big enough to play the 2 and Crawford and Hawes are our best bench players.

[Neddy]

Farmar and Wilcox for Kirilenko and McDaniels. both of these SFs have 1 year left on their contracts and neither are coming back to philli and they know it.

let's see how much Farmar likes being on that team instead.

[QRich3]

Nah, they're keepin McDaniels even if they have to pay him more than they want to. He's restricted and I don't see him risking a potential multimillion contract by taking the QO. As much as it pains me, we lost our chance at him drafting Wilcox.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Chandler is probably a better get than Jeff Green, but what would you guys give up for Jeff? Crawford/filler?


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[Clemenza]

Chandler is probably a better get than Jeff Green, but what would you guys give up for Jeff? Crawford/filler?


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I'm hearing the Celtics want a first rounder for Jeff Green which we don't have cause Doc panicked and gave the Bucks a first rounder just to get Jared Dudley off his hands

[Quake Griffin]

I'm thinking Thabo Sefalosha or Carroll.

and hoping CDR gets back to where I can pair him up with one of those guys in a defensive lineup.
but those guys seem like they are actually within a range we can afford….although their team is winning and buying now would be kinda dumb.

[Wammy Giveaway]

The Clippers have been tied to Jeff Green for quite some time. The only reason why this trade may end up happening has to do with the gag order.

A year ago, when the Clippers traded their 1st round draft pick to get Doc Rivers, the NBA instituted an anti-trade clause preventing both teams from engaging in future talks for the rest of the season. Their original trade during the off-season was DeAndre Jordan for Kevin Garnett and the right to coach Doc Rivers, who was under a no-compete clause. Danny Ainge wasn't going to fire him or let him walk without some kind of compensation trade. The way the two teams leaked the behind-the-scenes details gave the league an impression that there could be backdoor trades or CBA exploitations in place. Hence, the Clippers-Kevin Garnett deal was dead, and the NBA forced the Clippers to look elsewhere for upgrades.

Trading for Jeff Green can be considered a make-up trade for the failed previous acquisition. It won't be Kevin Garnett, but at least it's one of Doc's guys. In fact, he was part of the fabled farm trade that brought the Celtics Ray Allen to form their Big 3 in the 2007 NBA Draft.

Does Jeff Green fill a void for the small forward problem, or is it all about repairing the "trade that fell through"?

[Andrew McCeltic]

Chandler is probably a better get than Jeff Green, but what would you guys give up for Jeff? Crawford/filler?


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I'm hearing the Celtics want a first rounder for Jeff Green which we don't have cause Doc panicked and gave the Bucks a first rounder just to get Jared Dudley off his hands

Right, but I'm asking about the value and roles of your guys.. I'm sure you could get a first for Crawford or Reddick and give it to us for Jeff Green. Or a young, cost-controlled player like Ben Mclemore..

[Lindecision]

Chandler is probably a better get than Jeff Green, but what would you guys give up for Jeff? Crawford/filler?


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I'm hearing the Celtics want a first rounder for Jeff Green which we don't have cause Doc panicked and gave the Bucks a first rounder just to get Jared Dudley off his hands

I'm not 100% certain about the rules beyond any reasonable doubt, but I'm pretty sure we can still convey a 1st round pick. Like what the Lakers have done with Phoenix and Orlando. They inserted contingencies into the Dwight trade in case he left and their team became a catastrophe.

2015 first round draft pick to Phoenix
L.A. Lakers' 1st round pick to Phoenix protected for selections 1-5 in 2015, 1-3 in 2016 and 1-3 in 2017 and unprotected in 2018 [L.A. Lakers-Phoenix, 7/11/2012]

2017 first round draft pick to Orlando
If at least two years after the L.A. Lakers conveyed a 1st round pick to Phoenix, then the L.A. Lakers' 1st round pick to Orlando protected for selections 1-5 in 2017 and 1-5 in 2018 and unprotected in 2019;
if the L.A. Lakers have not conveyed a 1st round pick to Phoenix by 2017, then the L.A. Lakers will instead convey their 2017 2nd round pick and 2018 2nd round pick to Orlando [L.A. Lakers-Phoenix, 7/11/2012 then L.A. Lakers-Orlando, 8/10/2012]

As you can see they overlap in 2017 and 2018, so in theory we could do the same thing. I think. In our case we just have to convey the 1st from 2019 to 2021, or beyond if its lotto protected. But like I said, I think. I am by no means an expert.

2017 first round draft pick to Milwaukee
L.A. Clippers' 1st round pick to Milwaukee protected for selections 1-14 in 2017, 1-14 in 2018 and 1-14 in 2019; if the L.A. Clippers have not conveyed a 1st round pick to Milwaukee by 2019, then the L.A. Clippers will instead convey their 2020 2nd round pick and 2021 2nd round pick to Milwaukee [L.A. Clippers-Milwaukee, 8/26/2014]

[SMTBSI]

There are a couple of ways for the Clippers to get value to Boston in a Green trade.

As Lindecision suggests above, they could do the "if at least 2 years after" arrangement, giving us their next available pick (which would be conveyed between 2019 and 2021). They could also give us a pick swap option in 2016 (perhaps on the Cle or Dal pick instead of our own, so it has a better chance of being conveyed). Both of these are pretty weak assets (a pick that may never be conveyed, and if it does, maybe only moves us up a few slots, and a pick that could be 7 years down the road), but, together, maybe it's a start.

The other option, as Andy582 was getting at, is obviously a 3-teamer. Green to Clips, Crawford+ to someone else, someone else's asset back to Boston. I just don't know if it's realistic to expect anyone to give up anything meaningful for Crawford at 34 (unless they're sending a bad contract back to Boston in Crawford's place).

If anything happened, I would expect it to be a combination of the above two. Crawford+ to a third team, with a bunch of individually marginal assets (pick swaps, 2nds, distant future picks) shifting around between all three teams until Boston sees enough value to swallow the deal.