Trade Idea Thread II

[og15]

Yea, Bledsoe is not a guy the team wants to move, he's a nice backup with some unique skills and has the ability to be used for stretches as a SG.

[OOO]

Pistons fan here...What do you guys think of this trade involving D.Jordan?
Pistons get: D.Jordan
Warriors get: Villanueva
Clippers get: Biedrins + Pistons 2012 9th pick

You would give up the 9th pick for a Center who can't do anything but dunk? I bet Pistons fans are glad you're not their GM.

[Kerrsed]

Saw the talk in your Offseason thread, but figured this would be a better thread to ask in:

I think Frye is definitely one of the best options just because he's on of the few guys that can play PF and C. A lot of the other guys are PF's only, and in order to maintain the shooting presence, Blake or the acquired PF would have to play minutes at C. Frye can do both. I believe Phoenix is most content with keeping him because his contract isn't too bad or hampering, as opposed to Josh Childress who was a terrible contract. If one could sell them on Gomes and Trey Thompkins, that might be an option. I like Trey, but if Frye is acquired and on the team for the next 3 seasons, when will Trey ever play? And I don't believe Trey's potential is as a better player than Frye.

With Frye, Phoenix would pretty much want to dump him. Sarver and the Suns have been frugal in the past, but could be well under the cap if Nash decides to leave as a free-agent. Eric Pincus mentioned something revolving around Mo/Frye. Phoenix does have Aaron Brooks' rights and will have to make decisions on him and Brown. A player like Mo is not necessarily something that they would need if they bring the other 2 guards back.

Just what i came on your board to discuss.

Ok, we are pretty sure Nash is gone. Most likely in FA with a slight chance of a S&T. So once Nash is gone, we will be looking at trading players of value in return for some youngin's with potential for a rebuild. Read a couple of articles talking about how LAC need a stretch 4, and Frye being a good choice. Just as mentioned, he has the benefit of playing PF/C. He does a good job at both positions. The issue i have is there is no way that we would want Mo Will in return. With that being said, what about something like Bledsoe/Thompkins for Frye? Clippers get one of the best stretch 4's in the league, and the Suns get a young PG that can start for us, and a back-up big that we can develop into a poor man's Frye.

[Det the Threat]

Saw the talk in your Offseason thread, but figured this would be a better thread to ask in:

Just what i came on your board to discuss.

Ok, we are pretty sure Nash is gone. Most likely in FA with a slight chance of a S&T. So once Nash is gone, we will be looking at trading players of value in return for some youngin's with potential for a rebuild. Read a couple of articles talking about how LAC need a stretch 4, and Frye being a good choice. Just as mentioned, he has the benefit of playing PF/C. He does a good job at both positions. The issue i have is there is no way that we would want Mo Will in return. With that being said, what about something like Bledsoe/Thompkins for Frye? Clippers get one of the best stretch 4's in the league, and the Suns get a young PG that can start for us, and a back-up big that we can develop into a poor man's Frye.

That wouldn't make any sense at all for us.

Bledsoe's our #1 backup point guard and groomed behind Paul.
That's why we wouldn't give him away in a trade like this, even though it would be nice to have him stretch opposing teams defenses for Griffin and Paul.

The trade you're suggesting also isn't working financially as we're close to the salary cap and with Frye making about $4 mil more then Bledsoe and Thompkins combined.

All things considered:
I don't see the trade you've offered as being a possibility, as we need to fill in some gaps(shooting guard, backup sg, backup sf, backup pf, backup c) and need to get creative to do so.
Therefore a guy like Mo will most likely be available cause he makes over $8 mil and can't be paired with Paul for longer stretches.


So the only reasonable trade I'd see happening is Mo for Frye, with maybe a third team taking on Mo and sending something else to you.

[og15]

It would have to include Gomes to make the salaries work. The team probably won't want to trade Bledsoe because even though there was a glut of guards before, going into the off-season there won't be, and Mo isn't in the long term plans. Of course in addition to that, him impacting games a lot defensively and having good size, speed, jumping ability and potential as a defensive guard and slasher adds to that.

If Mo opts in, the team will be $2M over the cap, and only has exceptions. Bledsoe's ability won't be replaceable by any guard that costs in the same range. Gotta give some to get some, and this is one of those times when a draft pick is valuable.

Two things come into play. One is that if Bledsoe is traded, the team would probably want to unload contracts along with him, but he won't be traded to unload contracts. The second is that due to his playoff performance his value is at a high right now, so the team will both want to keep him, and watch out for what offers are available for him. Remember that he was a holdout player in the deal for Chris Paul, so the FO values him a lot, and even more so now.

[PG3]

Hey guys, here's my trade idea.

Clippers trade
Mo Williams
Ryan Gomes

Magic trade
Glen Davis
Jason Richardson

resign Nick Young with the MLE
sign a backup big man (Pryzbilla)
maybe bring back Chauncey 1 more year.

PG. Chris Paul/Eric Bledsoe/Chauncey Billups
SG. Jason Richardson/Travis Leslie
SF. Caron Butler/Tracy McGrady
PF. Blake Griffin/Glen Davis/Trey Thompkins
C. Deandre Jordan/Joel Pryzbilla

[mkwest]

Hey guys, here's my trade idea.

Clippers trade
Mo Williams
Ryan Gomes

Magic trade
Glen Davis
Jason Richardson

resign Nick Young with the MLE
sign a backup big man (Pryzbilla)
maybe bring back Chauncey 1 more year.

PG. Chris Paul/Eric Bledsoe/Chauncey Billups
SG. Jason Richardson/Travis Leslie
SF. Caron Butler/Tracy McGrady
PF. Blake Griffin/Glen Davis/Trey Thompkins
C. Deandre Jordan/Joel Pryzbilla

I'm going to tell you why you don't want to do that. Orlando has $22.9M in guaranteed salary on the books in the summer of 2013 (after waiving partially guaranteed contracts of Turkoglu & Duhon). That's not including roster charges, this years 1st rounder or next year's 1st. Let's say that they'll be at $28.8M with those taken into consideration. If the salary cap is at $63M, they are ~$34.2M under the cap. That's already enough to convince a max free-agent to join Howard if they decide roll the dice and not to trade Howard this season.

If we make this trade and they add no long term guaranteed salary between now and then, they would have $45.8M in cap space next summer. That would be enough to re-sign Howard, entice a player like CP3 to jump ship and still have enough to sign a decent 3rd wheel.

[og15]

It's just a lose situation for the Clippers. It's those kind of moves that get teams stuck with nowhere to go. Signing or trading for non impact players that will make you better, but not significantly, and won't take you over the top. I believe the team would also be getting into luxury tax level if re-signing Paul and extending Blake after those moves

[Mats272-GOAT]

Thoughts on getting Hickson through s+t, maybe for Mo?

[og15]

Not enough range, not a good defender, cant play C, so he doesn't really fill a role for the team. It would be like getting a poor mans Blake.

[mike3]

The most important thing this offseason imo is making a move to solve our SF issue. I love Caron Butler but he's not the player he used to be, I can't see him putting up starters numbers even though he played well last season. I'm not sure if hes that type of veteran to demand a starting role and upset with anything less but I would love to see us pull a move (maybe a trade with mo, gomes etc for a solid Small Forward) and have Butler off the bench. When he gets hot hes great and off the bench we will get a huge spark when he does and when he cools off or gets tired its not gonna matter because he's the backup SF.

I just dont want to see us with another situation where we've got a huge whole at SF the whole season. We could do a lot worse than Butler but we could also do a lot better than relying on him too much.

[Keatonsays]

I think Clipper fans are far too quick to throw Caron Butler under the bus. He did struggle offensively for long stretches, but you have to remember that our team had no system in place and were basically forced to rely on natural talent to score. With a full training camp to get a system in place, you can expect better play from all of our players. Caron should get a lot more open looks from coming off screens and having plays actually run for him, rather than him just having the ball and having to do whatever he can with it. In addition, he played very good defense for us over this past season, and there's no better example of that than his work on Rudy Gay in the playoffs. The only good game Rudy Gay had all series, was the one where Caron had to sit out due to a broken hand, which he played with for the rest of the series. You don't trade good character guys like that, who bring that level of toughness to your team, unless you're bringing in a bonafide star. We could bring in somebody who we Think will be a better fit, but could struggle just as much if not worse than Caron has, so trading Caron should be more of a last resort, rather than a first option. Unless we're trading for guys like Rudy Gay, Luol Deng or Andre Igoudala, we should stick to what we know for the most part and work with what we already have. We should be focusing on finding suitable role players right now, not moving any of our starters.

[madmaxmedia]

I agree, I don't think the Clippers should go out to try to dump Caron's salary.

If there's a trade for something we want then fine. But I think Caron will be contributor next year. He does a better job justifying his salary (at this point) than DeAndre.

[TheNewEra]

Jordan had a better season than Butler as far as impact goes and production

[ClipperEric]

We need a lot more beef down low. DJ's dunks may be exciting but he's not a championship type Center. Despite his block shots, he's actually really bad defensively and a huge liability at the end of games. There's a reason we went with Reggie Evans an KMart throughout the playoffs.

DJ
Caron Butler
Filler (Gomes)

for

Okafor
Ariza

Then we have to resign Reggie Evans. KMart is probably going to leave.