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Howard waives his opt-out, commits to ORL for next yr p. 71

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When the trade deadline passes, Howard will be on the....

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Re: The Dwight Thread p10 "LA very active, ORL don't want lo

Postby Sedale Threatt on Thu Mar 01, 2012 4:01 pm

lodom7 wrote:i've always wondered why howard would prefer the nets where he would just spend his career getting beaten by miami, chicago and new york and being remembered as one of those players who never won a championship. however if he went to the lakers he would most certainly win a championship and be remembered as one of the great lakers which would be great for his fame now and his career after basketball.


Not that I think New Jersey or Dallas are great destinations. But neither do I agree with this notion that he's a lock to win titles here, either. Indeed, I don't even see why he'd want to come here barring some miracle that we could get him for Bynum straight up.

Even then it's questionable. Aging Kobe, aging Gasol, prime Howard plus a bunch of warm bodies is a good team, an improved team, but a lock to win? Highly debatable. While Howard is a level better than Bynum, is that level good enough that we could pencil ourselves in for another championship? I don't think so. Not that we wouldn't jump at that deal, of course. But from his standpoint, is that a great situation? Doesn't look like it to me.

And if we do have to package Gasol and Bynum, it's an even more unappealing prospect, not only for us but him as well. In that case, I just don't see him wanting to sign an extension and lock himself into an even worse situation, from a basketball standpoint, than the one he's in with Orlando.

That said, I can't profess to have any real expertise on the mind of the NBA superstar, especially one like Dwight's. If I'm him, I'm holding Otis Smith hostage until he trades me to Chicago, where I can tear up the league with Derrick Rose for the next decade or so.

But winning obviously isn't the No. 1 priority.
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Re: The Dwight Thread p10 "LA very active, ORL don't want lo

Postby jigga_man on Thu Mar 01, 2012 4:20 pm

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That's what I think as well. But I also think after this trade we'll be in a better position than we are right now, so I'd be willing to roll the dice on Dwight. At least it gets us from having to give Bynum a max contract. I'll feel sorry for whichever team has to do that.


Really? you feel sorry for a team giving the second best center in the league, who is one of the only players to average a double double with 12 rebounds, and is under 25 years old a max contract?

You have to be a completely insane to give up Bynum AND Gasol for a player who will test the market in FA, no matter how good he is. At least CP3 verbally agreed to an extension before he was traded to the clips.

I'm sure the teams who have been rebuilding/tanking the last 5 years would have loved to draft a Center putting up the numbers Bynum is right now. If you want to rebuild you rebuild WITH BYNUM!
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Re: The Dwight Thread p10 "LA very active, ORL don't want lo

Postby azdaver on Thu Mar 01, 2012 4:27 pm

Sedale Threatt wrote:
lodom7 wrote:i. If I'm him, I'm holding Otis Smith hostage until he trades me to Chicago, where I can tear up the league with Derrick Rose for the next decade or so.

But winning obviously isn't the No. 1 priority.
I think any team that has a shot at Howard would have to show him that they were balanced with a competent alternative scoring option (like Kobe) and a high quality top 10 at least, point guard (which the Lakers would have to acquire).

I'm not talking about Ramon Sessions or Jose Calderon or Raymond Felton or one of those C minus PGs.

I'm talking about Rondo or Kyle Lowry. The only way those guys are possible is by moving Gasol.

Even then it isn't assured. But there would be a much greater likelihood due to the appeal it would have.
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Re: The Dwight Thread p15 "ORl wants Ellis to try to keep D1

Postby DEEP3CL on Thu Mar 01, 2012 4:33 pm

OP....why are you wasting your days and time worrying about Dwight?

Dude he ain't getting traded here.....F Dwightttttt. Lolololo
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Re: The Dwight Thread p10 "LA very active, ORL don't want lo

Postby destro on Thu Mar 01, 2012 4:44 pm

jigga_man wrote:
Jetset wrote:
That's what I think as well. But I also think after this trade we'll be in a better position than we are right now, so I'd be willing to roll the dice on Dwight. At least it gets us from having to give Bynum a max contract. I'll feel sorry for whichever team has to do that.


Really? you feel sorry for a team giving the second best center in the league, who is one of the only players to average a double double with 12 rebounds, and is under 25 years old a max contract?

You have to be a completely insane to give up Bynum AND Gasol for a player who will test the market in FA, no matter how good he is. At least CP3 verbally agreed to an extension before he was traded to the clips.

I'm sure the teams who have been rebuilding/tanking the last 5 years would have loved to draft a Center putting up the numbers Bynum is right now. If you want to rebuild you rebuild WITH BYNUM!


All that is great but when you factor in that he'll be injured and quite possibly may not even play for a huge chunk of time under the max contract, well then it just doesn't sound so appealing now does it? You don't rebuild with Bynum, you live in mediocrity with Bynum. Because his replacement is going to see more court time than he is. If they had never heard of Synvisc injections he'd be out right now.

Well it sounds as if your FO is completely insane because it appears they're going all in for the guy. I don't buy the whole luxury tax excuse as to why the Minnesota trade fell through because they knew the figures of the team before engaging Minnesota in trade discussions, them being over the threshold isn't something they just found out about 2 days ago.

Giving up Bynum and Gasol is better than staying on course imo, so I'm all for it. And obviously the FO must feel as if they can convince him to re-sign because if we were just so out of it then our name would no longer be in the discussion. And as of yesterday, we're still in it.
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Re: The Dwight Thread p15 "ORl wants Ellis to try to keep D1

Postby ScHoolBoy B on Thu Mar 01, 2012 4:48 pm

It's March 1st! And there is no deal! Are we in store for some more rumors? I think so......
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Re: The Dwight Thread p15 "ORl wants Ellis to try to keep D1

Postby destro on Thu Mar 01, 2012 4:53 pm

Oh and Orlando Magic President Alex Martins came out after the All Star break and specifically said that there was no deadline for trading Dwight.
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Re: The Dwight Thread p15 "ORl wants Ellis to try to keep D1

Postby destro on Thu Mar 01, 2012 9:58 pm

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Alex Martins and Dwight Howard have talked recently. Martins won't divulge what was said: ht.ly/9oVQC #Orlando #Magic


Orlando Magic Chief Executive Officer Alex Martins has spoken with Dwight Howard recently about Howard's long-term intentions.

What was said?

Martins would not say, but he indicated that those talks are ongoing.

"Dwight and I have talked, and we've committed for the time being that we're not going to reveal the details of those discussions as we continue them," Martins said before the Magic faced the Oklahoma City Thunder on Thursday night at Amway Center.

Rumors are swirling about what the Magic will do or will not do as the NBA trade deadline approaches on March 15. According to some reports, team officials have spoken with the Golden State Warriors in an attempt to acquire shooting guard Monta Ellis and with the Phoenix Suns to try and obtain point guard Steve Nash.

Martins said he would not comment on "rumors."

"There are half a dozen rumors a day these days, it seems like," Martins said. "We're not going to comment on any of them."

Asked whether he thinks Howard will be with the team beyond March 15, Martins responded, "I continue to be hopeful that he will continue to be with the team beyond March 15."
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Re: The Dwight Thread p15 "ORl wants Ellis to try to keep D1

Postby Kilroy on Thu Mar 01, 2012 10:40 pm

I'm wasting a lot of time trying to get the latest news on Lakers trades... F*** a trade deadline...
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Re: The Dwight Thread p15 "ORl wants Ellis to try to keep D1

Postby destro on Thu Mar 01, 2012 10:46 pm

Hang in there Kilroy, this day is almost over and then they'll only be 13 left.
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Re: The Dwight Thread p15 "ORl wants Ellis to try to keep D1

Postby destro on Thu Mar 01, 2012 11:33 pm

The Magic spoke with Dwight Howard like they said they would, presumably to find out if he's coming or going, straying or staying.

Is it just a coincidence that Dwight wants to leave in a leap year?

I digress, but so are the Magic. Their slogan should be, "But we digress."

All this time off-topic, all the indications that Howard hasn't moved off his trade demand … and the Magic still believe they can talk Dwight into remaining in Orlando with time ticking down to the March 15 trade deadline. Give them props for perseverance. They are officially in desperation mode in this crisis, looking to throw a Hail Mary that might change Howard's mind.


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Re: The Dwight Thread p15 "ORl wants Ellis to try to keep D1

Postby destro on Fri Mar 02, 2012 5:36 pm

Just a small excerpt so everyone can finally cool out about Dwight opting out if traded here:
Howard's agent Dan Fegan said earlier this week that Howard, who has approved the Dallas Mavericks, New Jersey Nets and Los Angeles Lakers as potential destinations, would not sign an extension with the Lakers, though that decision would largely be a financial one and not have much of an effect on the Lakers' efforts to retain Howard beyond this season should they trade for him.

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Re: The Dwight Thread p15 "ORl wants Ellis to try to keep D1

Postby destro on Fri Mar 02, 2012 9:15 pm

I don't know if this is old or what but Bynum's response to trade rumors was:
"It doesn't matter to me; I don't read the headlines. There's a bank in every city, and I'm going to play hard basketball wherever I go, so I'm good."


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EDIT: It was recent, it was after the All Star break.
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Re: The Dwight Thread p15 "ORl wants Ellis to try to keep D1

Postby inkyonroad on Sat Mar 03, 2012 1:41 am

I know it will make me pessimistic, but Howard to Lakers is looking unlikely. From my observation, I think he is going to be still with the Orlando after the deadline passes then the whole drama will start over again in the off season. It is logical to know that anything can happen between right now till the 15th, but I'm just feeling cynical with the ability and mindset of the Lakers organization with Jim Buss running the show.
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Re: The Dwight Thread p15 "ORl wants Ellis to try to keep D1

Postby doozyj on Sat Mar 03, 2012 6:51 am

I like the way Bynum is developing on the court and mentally, the guy seems more serious about the winning aspect of the game than Dwight. I say we keep Bynum, either move Pau if we have to for a PG or keep him. Or just use our TPE already for a SF or PG and/or try our luck with the draft with our 2 picks.

I understand Howard is a franchise player, but rest assured as long as Kobe is with the Lakers we are contending or have some chance at the title. And no he isn't declining dramatically and enough with the 50K minutes played. He is still easily the most fierce, experienced, skilled player in the league and will be for the next 4-5 years and I have no doubt about that. If Kidd, Nash, Grant can play at a high level till their late 30s so can Kobe. Plus the dude takes care of himself and has an unmatched work ethic. As for Bynum the kid is still extremely young has potential to be a franchise player as well. We are good with the team we have and should be optimistic. If Howard comes he comes, if he doesn't, no biggie, you can't miss someone you never had.
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