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Re: Elephant In the Room - KB 

Post#16 » by Wavy Q » Sun Nov 25, 2012 4:13 am

Somebody's gotta miss the shots sometimes, why not Kobe?
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Post#17 » by DEEP3CL » Sun Nov 25, 2012 11:17 am

MensRea wrote:No. Mamba's fine. He hasn't forced anything this season. He's had one bad game. Other than that, he's been playing within the offense all season long.
Agree......these Pau apologist just don't get it. Last night was a perfect example, when he's engaged in playing hard and with some effort and passion the Lakers are good and when he doesn't the team suffers because of it.

It's amazing to me after all these years of guys watching Kobe they don't realize he adjustes his game based on they rhythm he sees his teammates in.
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Post#18 » by Michael Lucky » Sun Nov 25, 2012 11:49 am

It was one game out of 14. I'll revisit this if he goes for a stretch of 4-5 games where this happens.
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Post#19 » by semi-sentient » Sun Nov 25, 2012 11:51 am

This thread makes would make a lot more sense if it were last season.

This year Kobe's had mostly been playing within the offense and only going into hero-mode when the offense gets really stagnant or our bigs are being passive.

My only beef with Kobe is his tunnel vision that past couple of games. Several times he pulled the team within striking distance by hitting several 3's, but then just kept gunning which took us right back out of the game with some really awful shots. He has to know when to tone it back down and try to get the offense back to executing properly. That approach almost always fails and I wish he would do a better job of recognizing when momentum swings so that he can get everyone else involved.
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Post#20 » by leeprettyp » Sun Nov 25, 2012 3:59 pm

ROballer wrote:The guy shot 50% or more from the field in 10 out of 14 games so far...

He's taking 17 shots per game and he's continuing his efficient stretch so far(51/41/88)...

Now we're bitching at the first bad shooting game he had?C'mon guys...



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Post#21 » by MensRea » Sun Nov 25, 2012 7:32 pm

Look, I've concluded that anybody down on Kobe THIS season hasn't watched any of the games THIS season, other than his one bad shooting game of the season.
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Post#22 » by StarneyBinston » Sun Nov 25, 2012 8:19 pm

The thing is we've been waiting for him to play more efficiently for years. So when he starts doing it, and has one bad game when he reverts to old Kobe, it is frustrating. But that should not make us forget how well he's been playing so far this season.
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Post#23 » by leeprettyp » Mon Nov 26, 2012 8:18 am

StarneyBinston wrote:The thing is we've been waiting for him to play more efficiently for years. So when he starts doing it, and has one bad game when he reverts to old Kobe, it is frustrating. But that should not make us forget how well he's been playing so far this season.


I get your logic here bro. But you do understand Kobe is a career 45%fg shooter and more than half of his career he was the #1 option on the team. Superstar SG who damn near was tripled teamed at times during his career to post the numbers that he has was amazing. Teams game planned for him and still do. He isnt 260lbs 6'9 like Lebron and didnt live off of attack the basket recklessly like Wade did throughout his career (why he's struggling now because he's losing athleticism and never was really a good shooter). Dont let stats and #'s be the tell all in my opinion. I base my opinion more on accomplishments and what that players position(stature) was on those teams
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Post#24 » by Run-MKE 311 » Mon Nov 26, 2012 6:49 pm

I agree completely, but truly believe Kobe will lay off when he sees what the other stars on this team can do.

Having Nash go down early was hard, Kobe felt the need to step up and take over. Once Nash is back and rolling, Kobe will realize the talent he has and the fact that it does not have to be him anymore.

I am taking nothing away from Kobe, he is the alpha dog and will always be there when we need him. But we do not need him to carry us, especially when Nash is back. The Lakers will win with Kobe, not following him, I believe that in this point of his career, he finally realizes that.

Most Lakers fans agree on this, but it is hard to admit because he has been so great for so long.
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Post#25 » by JustAwesome » Thu Nov 29, 2012 3:18 pm

However, his selfishness and stubbornness is his downfall especially later in his career.


Those are the two traits that helped him become viewed as one of the greatest players ever.
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Post#26 » by LApwnd » Thu Nov 29, 2012 3:22 pm

MensRea wrote:No. Mamba's fine. He hasn't forced anything this season. He's had one bad game. Other than that, he's been playing within the offense all season long.


and of all the games he chooses to force things, its a game where he is sick, his thougth process makes me wonder soemtimes
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Post#27 » by MensRea » Thu Nov 29, 2012 3:41 pm

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MensRea wrote:No. Mamba's fine. He hasn't forced anything this season. He's had one bad game. Other than that, he's been playing within the offense all season long.


and of all the games he chooses to force things, its a game where he is sick, his thougth process makes me wonder soemtimes


What the hell was he supposed to do in that game? Seriously? What did you want him to do? He literally was trying to force feed Dwight and Pau and the ball kept coming back to him. Every time he swung the ball to Morris, they would miss the shot or pass back to Kobe. If Kobe passes the ball and the ball finds it's way to back to kobe without him asking for it, what do you want him to do? Even Dantoni was deferring to Kobe in that game (playing him 44 minutes). If Kobe hadn't played, we would have been blown out. Dwight for whatever reason is not ready to be the number one option on this team. Kobe did what he had to do.
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Post#28 » by LApwnd » Thu Nov 29, 2012 3:47 pm

MensRea wrote:
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MensRea wrote:No. Mamba's fine. He hasn't forced anything this season. He's had one bad game. Other than that, he's been playing within the offense all season long.


and of all the games he chooses to force things, its a game where he is sick, his thougth process makes me wonder soemtimes


What the hell was he supposed to do in that game? Seriously? What did you want him to do? He literally was trying to force feed Dwight and Pau and the ball kept coming back to him. Every time he swung the ball to Morris, they would miss the shot or pass back to Kobe. If Kobe passes the ball and the ball finds it's way to back to kobe without him asking for it, what do you want him to do? Even Dantoni was deferring to Kobe in that game (playing him 44 minutes). If Kobe hadn't played, we would have been blown out. Dwight for whatever reason is not ready to be the number one option on this team. Kobe did what he had to do.


and there were mutliple possession where he had the Ball and one else touched it once before he chucked away.
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Post#29 » by USA » Thu Nov 29, 2012 7:25 pm

VanExeleNT wrote:The problem: if Kobe misses 5 shots in a row and he continues to shoot people say "he is trying to will his team back into this game". if gasol or dwight miss 5 shots in a row they end up with 7 FG attempts in the whole game. THEY DON'T GET THE BALL enough to say they had a bad game,

I don't agree with this. You make it sound like these guys never touch the ball, which is BS. These guys get the ball enough it is just that they aren't alpha dogs so when they do get it they pass it like a hot potato instead of trying to get a hoop. Kobe isn't going to wait around and Pau shouldn't either. Pau needs to be more aggressive but the problem is he isn't by nature. That is not a Kobe problem, that is a Pau problem.
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Post#30 » by Optms » Thu Nov 29, 2012 8:11 pm

Why hasn't anyone started a thread on why Howard can't hit free throws or hold on to the ball? Why does he get a pass?
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Post#31 » by MensRea » Thu Nov 29, 2012 10:24 pm

Optms wrote:Why hasn't anyone started a thread on why Howard can't hit free throws or hold on to the ball? Why does he get a pass?


Because we lived through Shaq and it didn't really hurt us then, not worried about it now.
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Post#32 » by Optms » Thu Nov 29, 2012 11:21 pm

:o Did you insinuate Shaq and Howard are one in the same? Dude.

Anywho. My point is Kobe and Gasol have earned the right to not be called out publically by run of the mill replacements to Phil. Arguing that if Gasol gets called out, Kobe should too, is absurd. Gasol doesn't mean a fraction to the franchise as Kobe does.

Maybe its the fact that you guys know Howard hasn't yet signed those papers that a lot of you are timid not get on him for costing us games at the line, but as far as I'm concerned, he's not otherworldy good enough nor has he paid his dues to the team the way others have. I fully expect him in a Lakers jersey this time next year up but believe me when I say that I won't lose any sleep there be a situation where he doesn't.
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Post#33 » by gp123 » Fri Nov 30, 2012 2:44 am

Optms wrote:Why hasn't anyone started a thread on why Howard can't hit free throws or hold on to the ball? Why does he get a pass?

this is essentially the scouting report on dwight's offense... I think he should get a pass because well, that's him... if you wanted a skilled big you should have traded for pau gasol.
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Post#34 » by leeprettyp » Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:55 am

Optms wrote:Why hasn't anyone started a thread on why Howard can't hit free throws or hold on to the ball? Why does he get a pass?



Because this makes to much sense and wouldnt help their Kobe bashing arguments smh. Dwight gets the ball but lets be realistic he isnt a #1 option (at least not yet) and folds under pressure you can see it. But Kobe literally has to be the most unappreciated superstar and winner ever in this L.A. market. UNREAL. Regardless if you people want to admit it or not, when this guy hangs the sneakers up our franchise is gonna really take a huge step back. I'm not saying the guys perfect but you would think after the multiple titles the guy has helped bring to the city, people would have a better understanding of what makes this guy tick (his drive to win). If his competitive nature erks you then just say that, but dont act as if we know more about playing the game of basketball then he does and I think thats where the biggest disconnect coming from with lukewarm Laker fans.
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Post#35 » by Mamba Venom » Sat Dec 1, 2012 12:54 am

Mamba is the biggest Pau supporter on the team.

Pau is an ideal 4th option. Just wait for Nash and give Gasol 10 mil a year. Kobe still looks like the best player by far and that is next to Dwight who most say in the media is the 2nd best player in the NBA w/ LeBron being the 1st.
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