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Re: Lakers Looking for Point Guard 

Post#106 » by jimmywolfrey » Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:57 pm

Brett43 wrote:Delonte is kinda crazy, but he's a very good player and would do well in LA. And wasn't he the starting point guard in Cleveland a few years back when they had the best record in the league? That means something.

Of course, I'd prefer like to see Delonte back in Boston as Rondo's backup. But then, I wanted to see Dwight Howard here, too.


He was the starting PG for half of year. Then They traded for Mo Williams, so Delonte slid to the 2guard spot as a starter for a year. Then......the gun thing happened and injuries. The next year in Boston, when healthy he was first man off the bench at least in terms of guards. Last Year with Dallas he again was hit with injuries, but when he was healthy, he was just as good as Jason Kidd as the starging PG and also sometimes started at the 2guard spot with Jason Kidd. Unfortunately, just couldn't stay healthy with that freak dislocated finger thing.
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Re: Lakers Looking for Point Guard 

Post#107 » by Brett43 » Fri Dec 14, 2012 5:04 pm

As far as basketball talent is concerned, it's a no brainer. It's all about the other stuff.
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Re: Lakers Looking for Point Guard 

Post#108 » by jimmywolfrey » Fri Dec 14, 2012 5:11 pm

Jajwanda wrote:The problem I have with most of these PGs is that they aren't good defenders. If Kobe is going to create all the offense anyway why not get a guy like CDR and put him next to Kobe. Meeks can't ball handle and yet we're getting away with him at the 1. CDR is lengthier, about the same level defender, and will postup 1s as well as bring the ball down the court.

Take some risks, do some new things. A number of the great scoring PGs these days struggle against length. It's been done before on defense (96 Bulls).

They went with 4 guys that had about the same height, had length, and they absolutely suffocated the ball simply by being more athletic, strong, and tenacious. I know the standard, well it was Jordan-Pippen-Rodman snarky comment is coming, but that doesn't mean that kind of lineup can't succeed again defensively.


You forget how the game is played today, no hand checking, no bumps. That is all you need to know about why this would no longer work. Pippen/Harper was the king of the hand check and bumping..not to mention what Rodman/Ho Grant got away with.

Delonte West is a good defender at BOTH guard positions. He has limitations especially with how the game is called today, but plays within defensive systems well.
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Re: Lakers Looking for Point Guard 

Post#109 » by Jajwanda » Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:23 pm

You don't need someone that physical and large as Ron Harper. Give me someone the same profile as Dwayne Wade on defense. Someone about 6-4, good lateral quickness/strength, and willing to fight through screens.

Harper was much slower by the point he was a PG and so he had to bump and hand check.

West would work. The only way you can stop guard penetration is through length and overall defensive foot speed. Guys like Russell Westbrook struggle against that (Rose as well) because they're simply not used to guys their own size or larger than them keeping up with them.

The question becomes:

Who are the most athletic defenders from 6-3-6-5 in the league.
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Re: Lakers Looking for Point Guard 

Post#110 » by desertlakerfan » Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:27 pm

Meeks is our best PG right now, that should tell you everything you need to know about how badly we are hurting at the position.

Anyone that can play better than "poorly" would be a upgrade at this point.
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Post#111 » by Jajwanda » Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:59 pm

Speaking of Meeks, he did a decent job on Westbrook from what I remember and Felton as well. Nothing great, but decent.

NBA PGs hate having to run through screens, so force these guys to tire themselves out chasing you around.
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Re: Lakers Looking for Point Guard 

Post#112 » by laduane1 » Sat Dec 15, 2012 7:07 pm

How about Pau to the Celtics for Raja Rondo...
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Re: Lakers Looking for Point Guard 

Post#113 » by Michael Lucky » Sat Dec 15, 2012 7:24 pm

Is that sarcasm? lol
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Post#114 » by jimmywolfrey » Sat Dec 15, 2012 7:24 pm

Delonte is fantastic running through screens and playing tough. He doesn't necessarily have the greatest foot speed though. He is smart and has an extra gear of tenacity at point of attack, surprisingly explosiveness if you will. Against Rose/Westbrook, he might initially get beat off the dribble but will give the effort to get back in the play and alter or block shots. He has alot of block shots (and tons more shots altered) for playing against PG and bigger SGs.

I just think Delonte having Dwight back there could really work. Delonte is great as a help defender so if he does get beat off the dribble forcing others to help, delonte is heady enough to pick up the slack somewhere else.

For Lakers fans who are on the fence. Once you start following him and watching him play nightly, you will be glad he is on your team. You will see his flaws right off the bat, but will admire still what he brings to the table. All the fans in each city that have been able to watch alot of games, has fallen into this same pattern. Laker fans haven't seen him play alot as Delonte hasn't played many games against the Lakers due to a variety of reasons.

Just beware that you will see some flaws. The most glaring flaws is that sometimes Delonte goes through a one minute or two stretches usually in the 2nd or 3rd quarters where he turns the ball over on 2 consecutive possessions. He'll follow a bad pass with a charging foul. Or a long errant pass with a traveling call. It just seems how it is. Also, you will see that he is extremely left hand dominant when dribbling. He is also very injury prone to freak injures which is contradictory. When he plays with his reckless abandon, he will get messed up fingers, wrists, ankles; he will fall on his back, poked in the eye, etc. Sometimes he will stick with a play too long when the play has already broken down to someone else messing up or the other team blows it up, he will take too long to realize he needs to create something. Lastly, you definitely see sometimes his temper boiling up. This doesn't seem to happen that much but when it does he'll usually get a tech or go afte r a block or steal or rebound really aggressively. Sometimes its good sometimes you will a reckless play.
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Re: Lakers Looking for Point Guard 

Post#115 » by laduane1 » Sun Dec 16, 2012 8:10 am

Of course it is. LOL
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Re: Lakers Looking for Point Guard 

Post#116 » by Major Giz » Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:52 pm

Calderon. 18 points, 14 dimes, 10 rebounds today!
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Re: Lakers Looking for Point Guard 

Post#117 » by Slava » Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:17 pm

Wolves and Kings both have additional PGs that they would move for pieces or picks.

One of Barea/Ridnour/Isiah/Fredette is attainable imo. Wish we had a 1st round pick to trade.
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Post#118 » by dr. strangelove » Mon Dec 17, 2012 12:29 am

Major Giz wrote:Calderon. 18 points, 14 dimes, 10 rebounds today!


Triple-double and 0 turnovers in 36:33 min.
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Re: Lakers Looking for Point Guard 

Post#119 » by walah123 » Mon Dec 17, 2012 7:19 am

Darius Morris is the point guard.

He scored 15 points all in the first half.
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Re: Lakers Looking for Point Guard 

Post#120 » by Mirjalovic » Mon Dec 17, 2012 8:42 am

Sweet, now lets we deal Lowry.
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Re: Lakers Looking for Point Guard 

Post#121 » by Jajwanda » Mon Dec 17, 2012 8:50 am

Could just sign CDR and not go with a PG. Put Meeks at the 1 where he at least provides some size. Gives you three guys that can handle the ball.
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Post#122 » by EvilSperm » Mon Dec 17, 2012 11:31 am

Cdr should be with us!!!
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Re: Lakers Looking for Point Guard 

Post#123 » by Slava » Mon Dec 17, 2012 4:33 pm

As long as Pau is not involved and Bargnani isn't coming back, I'd love a rental of Calderon. He's pretty much perfect for this system and while he lacks the defensive pedigree he can still do a lot of good things on offense to offset those weaknesses and every top team has one guy that they hide on the opposition's weakest player anyways.
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