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Re: Trade Pau pt. 3 - 'the hunt is onnnnn...!!!' 

Post#221 » by Jajwanda » Sun Jan 6, 2013 12:19 am

Love and Budinger are both injured. They'd love to have Gasol and Hill to be sure (complimenting Love), but they don't have the trade assets for that.
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Re: Trade Pau pt. 3 - 'the hunt is onnnnn...!!!' 

Post#222 » by ShowTimeERA » Sun Jan 6, 2013 12:31 am

3 team trade with NOH & Minny

LA incoming - Ryan Anderson & Kirilenko
LA outgoing - Pau Gasol

NOH incoming - Pekovic & D.Williams
NOH outgoing - Ryan Anderson

Minny incoming - Pau Gasol
Minny outgoing - Pekovic & D.Willaims
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Re: Trade Pau pt. 3 - 'the hunt is onnnnn...!!!' 

Post#223 » by BEazy » Sun Jan 6, 2013 12:45 am

This is funny. People are saying Pau Gasol is not the problem. What happened in the 4th quarter of the Clippers game? Pau benched we limited them to 20 points that quarter and we scored 31.
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Re: Pau as a role player 

Post#224 » by Desiderium » Sun Jan 6, 2013 12:52 am

TARIQ wrote:His game is the low block, face his man, one dribble left or right. He's got great moves. I don't know why MDA has him near the FT line or on the 3point line, Pau's morale has to be at a all time low, stop blaming the guy hes being used WRONG WRONG WRONG


yeah i agree he's being used wrong, but for the level of talent/experience he has, he should find opportunities to score. i've seen pau post up several times with mike D at the helm, and he's come up short every time. he either gets backed off and pushed 20 ft from the basket into a bad mid range shot, or he passes the ball back out without reposting.
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Re: Trade Pau pt. 3 - 'the hunt is onnnnn...!!!' 

Post#225 » by RamonSessions7 » Sun Jan 6, 2013 1:03 am

ShowTimeERA wrote:3 team trade with NOH & Minny

LA incoming - Ryan Anderson & Kirilenko
LA outgoing - Pau Gasol

NOH incoming - Pekovic & D.Williams
NOH outgoing - Ryan Anderson

Minny incoming - Pau Gasol
Minny outgoing - Pekovic & D.Willaims

Wow, Pekovic, DWill, and Kirilenko for an all-time low value Pau
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Re: Trade Pau pt. 3 - 'the hunt is onnnnn...!!!' 

Post#226 » by Mamba Mentality » Sun Jan 6, 2013 1:10 am

And what exactly are the T-Wolves intentions with that trade? It makes no sense for them.
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Re: Trade Pau pt. 3 - 'the hunt is onnnnn...!!!' 

Post#227 » by old rem » Sun Jan 6, 2013 1:20 am

Jajwanda wrote:Love and Budinger are both injured. They'd love to have Gasol and Hill to be sure (complimenting Love), but they don't have the trade assets for that.


Why on earth would a young team,far from contender..eat all that salary for guys so much older than their core???

Whoever is interested in Pau will be one of the teams that think they are real close to the top,so a year and a half of whatever Pau does...matters.

The way he's played this year....don't expect much. Figure 60% of teams have no interest at all. Maybe LAL can get Carlos Boozer?
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Re: Trade Pau pt. 3 - 'the hunt is onnnnn...!!!' 

Post#228 » by ShowTimeERA » Sun Jan 6, 2013 1:41 am

RamonSessions7 wrote:
ShowTimeERA wrote:3 team trade with NOH & Minny

LA incoming - Ryan Anderson & Kirilenko
LA outgoing - Pau Gasol

NOH incoming - Pekovic & D.Williams
NOH outgoing - Ryan Anderson

Minny incoming - Pau Gasol
Minny outgoing - Pekovic & D.Willaims

Wow, Pekovic, DWill, and Kirilenko for an all-time low value Pau


Assuming the reports are true that Minny values Pau, then yes. LA and NOH may have to add a few young pieces or eat Roy's contract. Pek is a free agent at seasons end (are they investing in him long term?) Assuming they pick up Kirilenko's player option, they have nearly $50M committed to 8 players excluding Pek next season. Pek can fetch anywhere from $10M - $12M in the open market. DWilliams is an afterthought seeing as his minutes continue to decrease. So in the end, the trade reads an expiring Pek plus Kirilenko for Gasol, a few extra young pieces (Ebanks & Henry) and LA absorbing Roy's contract. Does Minny value Gasol as much as its been said they do?
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Re: Pau as a role player 

Post#229 » by JustAwesome » Sun Jan 6, 2013 2:01 am

If he's not posting up again after passing the ball out, then these guys are not on the same page. Either his confidence is shot, or he doesn't feel that the pass will come back in to him.
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Post#230 » by Father Time » Sun Jan 6, 2013 2:15 am

He's been downright awful in the post this year, can't see how anyone can justify "using" him in the post when he's completely failed to produce.
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Re: Trade Pau pt. 3 - 'the hunt is onnnnn...!!!' 

Post#231 » by KB24TBOTB » Sun Jan 6, 2013 2:36 am

ShowTimeERA wrote:3 team trade with NOH & Minny

LA incoming - Ryan Anderson & Kirilenko
LA outgoing - Pau Gasol

NOH incoming - Pekovic & D.Williams
NOH outgoing - Ryan Anderson

Minny incoming - Pau Gasol
Minny outgoing - Pekovic & D.Willaims

You forgot outgoing for Kirlenko and you can't tell me you seriously think Pau has that value...
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Post#232 » by Stat Padder » Sun Jan 6, 2013 2:37 am

Pau should be traded for rashard Lewis and Shane Battier. Miami add height and Lakers add 3 point shooting and stretch 4s.
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Re: Pau as a role player 

Post#233 » by RamonSessions7 » Sun Jan 6, 2013 2:44 am

Stat Padder wrote:Pau should be traded for rashard Lewis and Shane Battier. Miami add height and Lakers add 3 point shooting and stretch 4s.

Salary cap won't allow that.
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Post#234 » by rand0m » Sun Jan 6, 2013 2:55 am

Nanogeek, are you considering our opponents in those numbers? Like semi-sentient pointed out, how exactly is he contributing to the +5.3? I personally don't think he is the entire problem, we have many weakness in other areas, but it's obvious he is the weakest link that can be moved. And like last night, it was better on both ends of the court when he wasn't playing. That was painfully obvious.
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Re: Pau as a role player 

Post#235 » by dockingsched » Sun Jan 6, 2013 2:59 am

LAFan24 wrote:Since "Defense" is our main concern at the moment, I think our problems can be solved with this lineup

Dwight
Jordan Hill
Metta World
Kobe Bryant
Nash

Jordan Hill can easily average 15/10 in 35 minutes. The good thing is, he doesn't really need any plays, he'll grab rebounds, bring energy and score. It's simple, bring Pau off the Bench when Howard/Hill need a breather THAT'S IT. Plus, since jordan hill doesn't really need many touches to be effective, Dwight will get even more opportunities to score while Metta/Kobe/nash shoot 3s/mid-range shots

Also, I think limiting Pau to 15 minutes a game will let him get healthy for playoffs and it may even take some pressure off of him so he can get back to playing basketball


i'm not convinced that a d12/hill/mwp can spread the floor adequately and more importantly is quick enough to play great defense. MWP is a little too slow now a days for a SF, fits much better at PF. my ideal lineup is nash/meeks/kobe/mwp/howard, though that obviously might not be ideal against every team.

im looking at a rotation like this:

howard 35 / gasol 13
mwp 20 / hill 20 / gasol 8
kobe 22 / mwp 16
meeks 32 / kobe 16
nash 34 / blake or duhon 14

yeah pau is down to around 20, but them the breaks
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Re: Pau as a role player 

Post#236 » by Dr Aki » Sun Jan 6, 2013 3:02 am

pau's not bringing the goods when he's posting up either

he's just in dire need of some mojo right now
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Re: Trade Pau pt. 3 - 'the hunt is onnnnn...!!!' 

Post#237 » by HiiiPOWER » Sun Jan 6, 2013 3:35 am

Nanogeek wrote:
HiiiPOWER wrote:
Nobody's paying attention to you because +/- is a dumb statistic. It incorporates everybody else that Pau's on the floor with and not just his very own play when that's exactly what we are evaluating... Pau Gasol's very own play.


You still sound confused.

First, the Lakers have a better +/- when Pau is on the court than off.

Second, lets look at the performance of Lakers 5 man units.

The most prevalent 5 man unit (192.6 min) has been Morris-Bryant-Metta-Gasol-Howard. That unit has a Win% of 61.5% - meaning they have consistently outscored their opponents.

The next most prevalent 5 man unit (118.3 min) has been Duhon-Bryant-Metta-Jamison-Howard. That unit has a Win% of 40.0% - meaning they have consistently been outscored by opponents.

Most of the 5 man units that Gasol is in have >50% Win%.

Gasol is clearly not performing at his levels in the past but its not the same team either. When Gasol isn't on the court the Lakers are getting schooled by teams. Why trade him?



How do I sound confused? Am I talking to you or typing? Get it together.

Again, +/- is a garbage stat when evaluating an individual player's level of play and that's what we're doing here. Pau Gasol's shooting 30% on post ups this year and he wants to post up more. It's a joke and an excuse by him. He can't even work a 6'6'' Ronnie Brewer on the low block. This isn't even a new development. Hell, Gasol couldn't work 6'6'' Carl Landry on the block 2 years ago in the playoffs. This is old stuff. That's what's so funny. He's been on the downswing for a long time now. When did Phil ever have to punch Scottie Pippen in the chest and tell him to man up? Think about that. The Lakers' #2 guy got punched in the chest by the greatest coach of all-time and was told to man up and that was a couple years ago now.

You're not going to make this about " 5 man units " because nobody else on the floor is holding Gasol down by his shoulders when he elevates 2 inches off the ground. No, that's all he has these days... really for the last 2 seasons. This is about individual performance. And Gasol's not performing like a 20mill a year player.

His not performing well is part of the reason why the team is different today. Gasol was traded for Chris Paul because he flamed out against Carl Landry/Dirk. Odom was an innocent bystander coming off his best season. lol " When Gasol's not on the court Lakers are getting schooled "?? Really? lol Lakers held the Clippers to 20pts with Gasol on the bench in the 4th quarter last night and they scored 30+pts themselves. Furthermore, Gasol was -20 last night... there's your +/- for you. lol Gasol can't defend the PF position, he can't anchor the defense as a center, he can't post up efficiently as he shoots 30% in post ups, and he's not a comfortable jump shooter from the outside either. All he is at this point is a playmaker from the high post and a decent FT shooter for his position. Basically, he's Vlade Divac nowadays. Trade him because he's washed up, not worth his contract, and we need contributers. That's why.
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Re: Pau as a role player 

Post#238 » by hazy_01 » Sun Jan 6, 2013 3:44 am

Yes do this, we need bench scoring and having Pau and Dwight on the floor at the same time is only effective for certain spurts of the game.
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Post#239 » by tugs » Sun Jan 6, 2013 4:01 am

Been there, done that.

Still nothing. If he's such a high IQ player, why can't he find ways to be effective? Why isn't he crashing the boards? Why is he getting beat off the dribble or down low every single **** time? How can he be given more opportunities at the post if he doesn't deliver when given the chance?
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Re: Trade Pau pt. 3 - 'the hunt is onnnnn...!!!' 

Post#240 » by carlquincy » Sun Jan 6, 2013 4:03 am

Pau's trade value is at an all time low now.

The only logical thing to do is to bring him off the bench strictly as a backup center & start MWP or Hill as PF.

So many positives to this move:
- Pau & Dwight gets shorter mins, allow to rest up
- More post up opportunities for Pau
- More energy & speed to the starting lineup
- More spacing (if MWP starting as PF)
- Better rebounding (if Hill is starting)
- Better defense

If Pau plays well, he will get his confidence back and has a defined role in this team.

Its up to MDA & the coaching staff to convince Pau to accept this role.

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