PandGneverfold wrote: richboy wrote:
PandGneverfold wrote:One player is not responsible for this teams defense, our sucky defense takes a total team effort,including the coaching staff.
Usually would agree. But when your name is Kobe Bryant. You say I'm all about winning. I'm the leader of this team. You set the tone. You take the credit for the wins but everyone else was at fault for the losses. Don't work that way.
Let be perfectly honest as I'm already hearing well other players defense sucks too. It is a big difference to your defense sucks to your not even trying. What player on this roster isn't even trying on defense.
You need to bring it on defense even more than you do on offense. If that means you only average 25 a game then that is fine. But you have to bring it on the defensive end first. I said it days ago. With some criticizing me for being hard on Kobe. The obvious you criticize Kobe you must be a hater. At least 6 games this year that have been somewhat close. That I'm watching the game and wondering what in the world Kobe is doing on defense. Actually every game has been like that but at least 6 games that to me if Kobe gave even a small amount effort on defense they win easy. I'm watching Denver play by play guys laugh at how Kobe was just ignoring Corey Brewer. JVG last night. Wish he was the coach. This article. Finally some people willing to call Kobe out. I doubt Mike D will say anything though.
No one is trying on defense and save the Kobe gets all the credit for winning excuse. As soon as the lakers were winning in 09 and 10 most people on realgm was screaming it was all pAu and that laker frontline and that you could replace Kobe with any shooting guard and get the same results. You even had idiots saying Bynum was dominant during that time. I know Kobe is the leader and deserves some flack but besides Jordan hill there is absolutely no one on this team trying on defense,and that's not surprising once you see the coach. Like I said blaming one guy is the easy way out. I just find it funny that when other guys put up nice stats with nice averages they get praise and the well they just need more help,but the guy putting up 30,5,5 on our team is the problem. Yea sure
Please. Dwight is at the top of the league in rebounds and blocks. Artest is still battling hard even if he lacks the speed on defense. Even though Nash sucks it not because he doesn't try. Kobe not playing hard on defense can not be excused with well nobody is trying.
Father Time wrote:okay, criticizing kobe does not make you a hater. what makes a hater is being blatantly biased in how you criticize kobe. i haven't ever seen richboy say one good thing about kobe, not one. all he ever posts about is how kobe is destroying the team, how his defense is terrible, his shot selection is terrible, his leadership is terrible, his efficiency is terrible, i think you get the idea. i'm sorry but if you can't provide a balanced critique of kobe then yes you might be a hater. see how the article criticizes kobe? they give him credit for a historic offensive season, while at the same time pointing out how his defense needs to get better. that is a fair and balanced approach.
jvg criticizes him but also explains it's not all on kobe and he's one of the best ever. again, balanced.
No the problem is when you hear criticism you hear hate. Your post just proves it. First I have to call you a liar because I have never posted that Kobe is destroying the team. Don't let your intense love for Kobe blind what you hear and what is actually said.
You have pointed about all you could say about Kobe in 17 years. Everything you just pointed out is a completely fair criticism of Kobe. It not fair to question Kobe's defense this year? It isn't fair to question how Kobe could take so many shots a year ago?
I don't even get your post. Your in essence saying please give Kobe some love before you criticize him. JVG was asked what does Kobe need to improve on and he said his off the ball defense had been bad this year. He then said Kobe also needs to try to get other players a few more shots. Not sure where you heard JVG then start his Kobe is one of the best ever comments. If he did that is fine but believe me when JVG was coaching he didn't say Patrick Ewing do this but yeah your one of the greats with every criticism.
What love I should have given him last year. Apparently if you don't accompany every criticism with your one of the greatest players of all-time you must be a hater. You didn't say well you was wrong. No what I said was completely fact. Your mad I said it without it being sandwiched between some love. Excuse me I'm the one that for years had Kobe Bryant in the top 10 all-time before most on this board. I'm not talking a few years ago I'm saying had him near top 10 all-time when he was still playing with Shaq. Oh yeah I was the one saying let Shaq go and you can build around Kobe. Back then I was a Kobe fanboy by many. Go to the player comparison board and look at some of my Shaq debate threads where I actually have Kobe as not being a sidekick but just as important to those teams as Shaq. I was on this board I was here defending Kobe as being much better than Vince Carter and Tmac when that was not the common thinking. Here defending him threw rape allegations. Defending him when he was being called selfish after the debacle against the Pistons in the finals.
See I don't care if you think I love Kobe enough after each post. When things are not going good I'm going to state why. Not what is good for Kobe but what is good for the Lakers. A year ago Kobe had a 21 PER and a 105 offensive rating the lowest TS% of his career yet somehow managed the second highest shot per minute number of his career. If you want the Lakers to win games things like that can't be ignored.
See some people are bigger Kobe fans than they are Laker fans. Either way is fine but my focus is what it takes for the Lakers to win games. That is why I can't talk about the offensive great year because it isn't coming with wins. When I look at a team with Nash, Gasol, Howard, Bryant, Artest, Jamison offense is not what I think this team needs to win. As much as I would like to praise him for his season offensively it is coming in games they are losing. Although I don't give him all the blame. They are specific games that to me Kobe's lack of defensive effort have led to a lost. As the guy that says he is the leader of this team I felt he should be called out on that. It isn't about hating Kobe. It about the leader of this team could have won games by defending players who really are in the game only to defend him. If I was a hater I would say why didn't he shut down James Harden. No If the only thing stopping a victory is defense on guys like Alonzo Gee, Corey Brewer, Aaron Affalo I should expect he can do that. If he did that then we can talk about the great offensive year.
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