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Post#46 Re: Not Many Trade Options for our Lakers Mit
Fri Jan 18, 2013 9:33 pm by EArl

A line up of Rondo, Kobe, clark, Smith and Howard would be good in terms of D and horrible in terms of spreading the floor :lol: If i were the opposing team I would just zone up every possession.
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Post#47 Re: Not Many Trade Options for our Lakers Mit
Fri Jan 18, 2013 9:47 pm by HiiiPOWER

eablinksum wrote:A line up of Rondo, Kobe, clark, Smith and Howard would be good in terms of D and horrible in terms of spreading the floor :lol: If i were the opposing team I would just zone up every possession.



and you'd get slaughtered on the glass with your zone too. that's why Phil preferred switching defenders over zones... you stay connected to a man. whoever wins the rebound war and defends the best, wins it all... that has never failed. zones are a gimmick... they work best when opposition is undersized. Dwight's a man-child and even Rondo will grab 10-15 rebounds. hell, all 5 of those players you named could grab 10-15 rebounds against a zone lol

also, who said anything about Clark? if i had my way they'd have Ariza back by then
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Post#48 Re: Not Many Trade Options for our Lakers Mit
Sat Jan 19, 2013 4:08 am by Jakay

When was the last time a GM said anything that actually meant anything?

Other than "we stand firmly behind coach ______" being a nearly literal way of saying "you're fired".
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Post#49 Re: Not Many Trade Options for our Lakers Mit
Sat Jan 19, 2013 4:27 am by AcecardZ

Re: minimal trade options...

If the average basketball fan can see Pau is done I'm pretty sure most of the GM's around the league can also. Heck even Kahn in Minnehaha is smart enough to realize acquiring Pau would be a big mistake.
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Post#50 Re: Not Many Trade Options for our Lakers Mit
Sat Jan 19, 2013 1:06 pm by JohnVancouver

Any way to pry Chandler P out of Houston?
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Post#51 Re: Not Many Trade Options for our Lakers Mit
Sat Jan 19, 2013 1:34 pm by desertlakerfan

AcecardZ wrote:Re: minimal trade options...

If the average basketball fan can see Pau is done I'm pretty sure most of the GM's around the league can also. Heck even Kahn in Minnehaha is smart enough to realize acquiring Pau would be a big mistake.


He's only "done" at the PF, there are still teams looking for a solid center who they can run their offense through which Pau brings. Our problem is now that we have Howard, we have no need for a second center who we can run our offense through except for the 8-10 mpg Howard rests which is a huge a waste of Pau's talents and salary.
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Post#52 Re: Not Many Trade Options for our Lakers Mit
Sat Jan 19, 2013 3:06 pm by Ockham

Spanish NBA-fan here. Sorry, my English is a bit rusty. I'll try my messages are, at least, inteligible.

I hope i won't get banned from this forum too early :wink: . There are a lot of good discussions here

One Love wrote:The reaity is there are only a few teams that can compile a decent package given the high salaries involved... I think there is a REAL chance Pau gets Amenstied in the offseason as most of the deals would require us to take back bad contracts and could adversly affect our '14 Plan...

We have only 3 players that are eligiable to be amnestied (Gasol, Kobe & Metta)... Pau is costing us close to $40 million ($19 salary & luxury taxes) therefore if he gets Amenstied another team will pick him up (submit blind offers) and those monies (probably $4 to $5 million) would come back to the Lakers therefore Pau would cost us $14 million next year instead of $40 to $45 million...


Well, i think this is a good analysis. Money ($45 million) is the real issue. Next year, the real cost of Gasol could be even higher ($60-70 million), depending of Howard's salary. This is a lot of Buss's money

I think there is a big lack of empathy in the Gasol-gate. I'm going to try to compensate it with my analysis. After all, he's a compatriot ;-)

Plausible ideas into Gasol's head
- I've done all the money I'll ever need. Next year my salary is guaranteed
- Does anyone respect me here? Does anyone remember I transform Kobe's gang in a contender?
- Does anyone understand here what is collective and unselfish basket? Brown? D'Antoni?...Kobe? Fans?
- Lakers will trade me as soon as posible. I don't need to demand it
- I WANT another ring
- Enough is enouh. I never win another ring here.

What could i do?
1) Play hard until they trade me
- My market value increases. My new team could offer too much for me and destroy its chances. I don´t control my destiny. Thet could send me back to a team Old Memphis-like or another gang
- My energy level decreases. My knees and feet suffer. I'll need energy and health in my new team

2) Play in "safe" mode until they trade me or (much better) they amnisty me
- I'll play few minutes. I can heal me properly. I can extend my career.
- My market value decreases. They can't get anything valuable for me right now. They NEED negotiate with me.
- I could "choose" my new team (a contender) if my market value is low (o zero) but my agent negotiates a extension with the new team. If Lakers doesn't accept garbage or a TPE for me they'll have to amnesty me and pay part of my salary...or risk $50-70 million next year.

This is my analysis. In my opinion, Gasol-gate is another Odom-gate right now because Pau's said enough. Unfortunately, I'dont think Lakers get anything valuable for Pau. Obviously, Stern should pay the bill. Right?
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Post#53 Re: Not Many Trade Options for our Lakers Mit
Sat Jan 19, 2013 5:50 pm by PandGneverfold

Lets get one thing straight the lakers did way more for gasoline than what gasoline did for them. Gasoline is not a franchise player,he has proven that. The lakers and Kobe took him from being a laughing stock to a well respected big in the game. We would not have won without pAu ,but this organization has done nothing wrong to him. Also I would like to give Mitch and dr buss credit. They seem this coming over a year ago and tried to do he best they could.
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Post#54 Re: Not Many Trade Options for our Lakers Mit
Sat Jan 19, 2013 5:54 pm by Cashin out

Gasol for Evans/Salmons/Thompson

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Post#55 Re: Not Many Trade Options for our Lakers Mit
Sat Jan 19, 2013 6:06 pm by destro

LAKESHOW wrote:Why would Mitch think about trade options? You mean by giving a coach steve nash AND dwight howard that aint enough?


not when you're paying $19 mil for career lows all across the board, no defense, and a refusal to accept a bench spot for the betterment of the team. i want d'antoni gone too but pau's on his 11th hour and 59th minute in la. the trade deadline is feb. 21, i'm giving him 3 more weeks at the max.
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Post#56 Re: Not Many Trade Options for our Lakers Mit
Sat Jan 19, 2013 6:28 pm by deNIEd

HiiiPOWER wrote:also, who said anything about Clark? if i had my way they'd have Ariza back by then


There is zero chance the Lakers could afford Rondo, Kobe, Ariza, Smith, and Dwight. It is simply impossible to make plausible under the CBA
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Post#57 Re: Not Many Trade Options for our Lakers Mit
Sat Jan 19, 2013 8:18 pm by Ockham

PandGneverfold wrote:Lets get one thing straight the lakers did way more for gasoline than what gasoline did for them. Gasoline is not a franchise player,he has proven that. The lakers and Kobe took him from being a laughing stock to a well respected big in the game. We would not have won without pAu ,but this organization has done nothing wrong to him. Also I would like to give Mitch and dr buss credit. They seem this coming over a year ago and tried to do he best they could.


I don't know if Gasoline is, was or will be a franchise player. I don`t even know if he want to be a franchise player. But I'm pretty sure that he wants to win another ring out of Lakers. And I can see 4-5 teams becoming instantly high-level contenders if they could incorporate and use properly his soft and lazy talents. Of course, if those teams don´t have to give someone too valuable in exchange for him.

It won´t be easy dealing with a player when you want publicly and "violently" trade him (Thanks, Stern). Pau is a good and rational guy, but I think he's said enough!. So, perhaps it's time to take it easy (Zen Master could say), let him go...and save a lot of money next year. After all, this is a business.
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Post#58 Re: Not Many Trade Options for our Lakers Mit
Sun Jan 20, 2013 8:07 pm by leeprettyp

Ockham wrote:
PandGneverfold wrote:Lets get one thing straight the lakers did way more for gasoline than what gasoline did for them. Gasoline is not a franchise player,he has proven that. The lakers and Kobe took him from being a laughing stock to a well respected big in the game. We would not have won without pAu ,but this organization has done nothing wrong to him. Also I would like to give Mitch and dr buss credit. They seem this coming over a year ago and tried to do he best they could.


I don't know if Gasoline is, was or will be a franchise player. I don`t even know if he want to be a franchise player. But I'm pretty sure that he wants to win another ring out of Lakers. And I can see 4-5 teams becoming instantly high-level contenders if they could incorporate and use properly his soft and lazy talents. Of course, if those teams don´t have to give someone too valuable in exchange for him.

It won´t be easy dealing with a player when you want publicly and "violently" trade him (Thanks, Stern). Pau is a good and rational guy, but I think he's said enough!. So, perhaps it's time to take it easy (Zen Master could say), let him go...and save a lot of money next year. After all, this is a business.



lol your living off the name Pau Gasol. The guy isnt good like that anymore.
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Post#59 Re: Not Many Trade Options for our Lakers Mit
Mon Jan 21, 2013 9:31 am by Ockham

leeprettyp wrote:
Ockham wrote:
PandGneverfold wrote:Lets get one thing straight the lakers did way more for gasoline than what gasoline did for them. Gasoline is not a franchise player,he has proven that. The lakers and Kobe took him from being a laughing stock to a well respected big in the game. We would not have won without pAu ,but this organization has done nothing wrong to him. Also I would like to give Mitch and dr buss credit. They seem this coming over a year ago and tried to do he best they could.


I don't know if Gasoline is, was or will be a franchise player. I don`t even know if he want to be a franchise player. But I'm pretty sure that he wants to win another ring out of Lakers. And I can see 4-5 teams becoming instantly high-level contenders if they could incorporate and use properly his soft and lazy talents. Of course, if those teams don´t have to give someone too valuable in exchange for him.

It won´t be easy dealing with a player when you want publicly and "violently" trade him (Thanks, Stern). Pau is a good and rational guy, but I think he's said enough!. So, perhaps it's time to take it easy (Zen Master could say), let him go...and save a lot of money next year. After all, this is a business.



lol your living off the name Pau Gasol. The guy isnt good like that anymore.



Well, for sure the guy won't stay here next year. It will be very easy to check your hypothesys...and find out if the problem is the guy or the organization.

And also It'll be very interesting to see how this poker game ends. If Pau goes to a gang for something valuable or goes to a contender for nothing. Do you remember he came here for nothing? Miracles happen.
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Post#60 Re: Not Many Trade Options for our Lakers Mit
Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:53 pm by leeprettyp

The verdict is out on Pau. Be physical with him in the post (push him off the block). Go at him when he's the singular big in the paint (Layup lines). Run pick n roll with him involved in it and hope to get switch... Even if u dont his rotation to the pic and pop shooter is very slow. No matter where we send him this wont change Pau's best days are way behind him. People base their opinion on how he played in the Olympics and thats not a great barometer because Team USA always played small ball and also Tyson Chandlier when he was in, isnt a great post defender he's a better anchor and on off ball rotation. In todays NBA teams are playing small ball and we know Pau is allergic to any athletic player that comes at him
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Post#61 Re: Not Many Trade Options for our Lakers Mit
Mon Jan 21, 2013 4:41 pm by Jajwanda

He put up great numbers at C yesterday. Centers that put up the kind of numbers that he does aren't easy to come by.

He's a 20/10 guy at C who next to an athletic PF can give you good enough defense (Jamison was guarding the PF yesterday which hurt rotations).

If he were on any other team REALGM would be going nuts about his value.
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Post#62 Re: Not Many Trade Options for our Lakers Mit
Mon Jan 21, 2013 4:48 pm by Run-MKE 311

Mitch is damn good at this, he is not going to show his hand. He is correct that there is a not a lot of room to be active in the trade market, but we all know that he wants to do something with Pau. I would be shocked if something does not happy to shake things up.

I am not asking for a reaction based freak out, but Pau has needed to go for a while now and his value sinks each day. Mitch has weaved magic in the past, the Lakers certainly need it again now.

The season has been a complete disaster, I understand injuries hurt, but this team as currently constructed, is not going to win a damn thing.
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Post#63 Re: Not Many Trade Options for our Lakers Mit
Mon Jan 21, 2013 7:17 pm by old rem

leeprettyp wrote:http://www.dailybreeze.com/portal/sports/ci_22391170/lakers-notebook-pau-gasol-optimistic-about-playing-tonight?_loopback=1

"We don't have many options," Kupchak said Wednesday at the Lakers All-Access event at Staples Center, hosted by the LA Sports & Entertainment Commission. "It's not like we're going to be active or overly active in the trade market."




In your opinion is this Pau Gasol, "trade him or not trade him" drama becoming to much of a detriment for this team to overcome? Its been like this ever since the 2011 playoffs when Pau totally disappeared (rumors say over a girl but nothing was ever set in stone). You could even argue the 2010 playoffs when Pau was AWFUL every single road game almost besides the Utah Jazz series.

Me personally I've gotten to the point where I realize the guy has lost 2 steps (not 1 yes 2) and we have to move him. I think the biggest issue with the team now (beside defense of course) has been chemistry. It only makes sense to move him for a package of role players (athletic, shooters, and a speedy PG) so we can add more depth to the team and spread the court for Nash,Kobe, and Dwight. Watching every game this year teams are just telling there PF to run as soon as they secure the rebound and then they throw that lead pass while Pau is 2 steps behind his man. With this coaching hire and also with us already having the best big in the NBA in Dwight finishing at the rim we know Pau isnt gonna be the focal point in the post anymore and is expendable.

Trust this is coming from a guy that has been a Pau apologist for years. But the guy cant even hold post position against these undersized PF's. Gets killed on the Pick n roll defense. Doesn't seem comfortable taking that open jumper at the top of the key so other teams dont even honor him. He's a backup Center at best on this team and at 17mill a season I think it be better for both parties to move on. We've used Pau as the scapegoat for to long but I cant watch another minute of a playoff series against OKC where Serge Ibaka is cheating off of him to help over on Dwight in the paint because Pau isnt knocking down that open jumper. We got Clark and Jamison at this point to handle the PF position. I wouldnt mind us bringing in Kmart and/or Delonte West also (Morris is so out of control 80% of the time to me)


Just my opinion...Thoughts fellas?


Yeah..with Pau pouting..scoring 12+, slacking on D and about to be near $20 mill next year..including trade kicker...the Lakers will find it a challenge to just find a taker...even if LAL just gets back fillers. There might be 4-5 teams LAL can find ANYTHING with..and none of those deals will give LAL anything they really want. Meanwhile, Artest can't be traded for a warm beer and Kobe pretty much can't be traded. None of the bench guys adds up to much. The one who might have some worth...Hill....is hurt for the year.

The Lakers seemed sure to keep Dwight...but...that's not so certain when the Lakers ain't as good as Houston, Portland. The Lakers big plan...backfired. I assume they intend to rebuild around Dwight but it may be only once the old guys expire and go that they begin
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Post#64 Re: Not Many Trade Options for our Lakers Mit
Mon Jan 21, 2013 8:06 pm by leeprettyp

Run-MKE 311 wrote:Mitch is damn good at this, he is not going to show his hand. He is correct that there is a not a lot of room to be active in the trade market, but we all know that he wants to do something with Pau. I would be shocked if something does not happy to shake things up.

I am not asking for a reaction based freak out, but Pau has needed to go for a while now and his value sinks each day. Mitch has weaved magic in the past, the Lakers certainly need it again now.

The season has been a complete disaster, I understand injuries hurt, but this team as currently constructed, is not going to win a damn thing.


I agree with this. But here's my opinion, Mitch and Jim have their eyes on 2014 and 2015 class of free agents, but why put all the eggs in one basket waiting for that free agent class? We should focus on winning now. But We have the great Superstars Kobe, and Dwight... Alongside great core players in Metta, and Nash. Also great talent in Hill (i know he hurt), Clark. Now we need to fill the rest of the roster out with players that compliment their games, will rebound and play SOLID DEFENSE. Guys that wont pout when their only shooting 3-5 times in a game. This roster has to many names on it in my opinion. Pau recently has been a big culprit of that. It's not hard to see that he doesn't really like/or can get comfortable being the 3rd/4th option on this team
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Post#65 Re: Not Many Trade Options for our Lakers Mit
Mon Jan 21, 2013 8:52 pm by HiiiPOWER

Jajwanda wrote:He put up great numbers at C yesterday. Centers that put up the kind of numbers that he does aren't easy to come by.

He's a 20/10 guy at C who next to an athletic PF can give you good enough defense (Jamison was guarding the PF yesterday which hurt rotations).

If he were on any other team REALGM would be going nuts about his value.


he wasn't being checked by anybody and that's 1 game
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