PRESEASON GAME #5 LAKERS VS JAZZ 10/19/14 6:30PM

Jajwanda · Post #121 » by **Jajwanda** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 8:15 am

Perhaps but the good thing is you know that Hill is like dropping a 2,000 lb off the bench. That switch will be made sooner than later, size mismatch or not (Davis can switch with Boozer if need be at times). I like Boozer next to Kobe. He's the perfect offensive PF that understands the old man's game. Still not sure what the PG rotation should be.

ChokeFasncists · Post #122 » by **ChokeFasncists** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 9:07 am

jigga_man wrote:
ChokeFasncists wrote:
TheSpecialist wrote:this team could have been a lot of fun to watch if our SF and C spots were upgraded, and randle started over boozer

The hinge in SF is if Nash is healthy. If he is, Lin could shift to SG, Kobe to SF. C depends on Ed Davis, he seems to be doing well PnRing with Lin and can block shots. If he pans out, the tandem of him and Hill (it remains to be seen if Lin can get him some easy baskets) is pretty adequate since real good centers are kinda rare nowadays.

A Nash and Lin could possibly be the worst starting backcourt in the history of the league. Not even Hakeem Olajuwon could salvage that much less Ed Davis. I've come to the conclusion that there isn't enough options on the roster to formulate a balanced starting 5. Either it's going to be really poor offensively and solid defensively, solid offensively and poorly defensively, or both which is the lineup BScott would want the most. (Hill/Booz/Wes/Kobe/Lin)

I didn't mean starting. I was just talking about about upgrading the SF spot a little bit from within. I think Johnson starting (hope he becomes consistent shooting threes) with Young off the bench and adding a little bit of Kobe shifting over would make it OK; certainly better than no Kobe. And I think you mean worst starting backcourt defensively? Cuz I'm sure there are worse offensive backcourts. It would certainly be a much bigger upgrade if LeBron or Carmelo signs on but it's not happening. The current lineup IMO is the best if Boozer is still capable and Lin's ability is maximized.

kblo247 · Post #123 » by **kblo247** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 9:44 am

Ultimately I think Lin should start, had him penciled in, but now I'm not sure about doing it yet

* Nash to me needs to be factored out like he was most lineups all summer

In a perfect world Young and Henry are healthy. If they are healthy, fact is they handle the ball a lot, so they can score and create for the bench. The way X draws contact and attacks or the way Nick isos and breaks down a D causing guys to rotate to him is perfect for a second unit without a guy like Lin holding the ball. They can carry the burden, but they are hurt. And because both are hurt you need someone who can create for others in the half court and open court. Lin fits the bill, so let Price start for 10 games or so to Nick returns.

I know it sounds like Houston all over again with Beverly, but it's just how the chips fall. In fact I'm sure Price would look great next to Nick ... It's the Eric Snow and Iverson dynamic

jjscap · Post #124 » by **jjscap** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 10:23 am

DEEP3CL wrote:Quick thoughts....

The defense looked more systematic tonight, the rotations and communication was there. Also too Byron cut back on the lesser player minutes, and that was the biggest change. Even Julius covered on his help rotations better and looked engaged.

I liked how Booz played tonight also, he was more deliberate in his moves. No wasted movement.

Wes Johnson played more in the reality of what we expect, he has to get he won't be a 20 point scorer in this league. His money will be made if he does two things, develop more consistency on his jumper weather from 3 or just mid range. The other is realizing that he can be a disruptive/ lock down guy.

And Ed Davis.....telling y'all now he better be in our long term plans. Ed is nice, he's athletic, has nice hands and shows a willingness to bang in the interior to score buckets. When Kobe was drop'in passes to him in the paint and he was grabbing the ball with relative ease, for some reason I was having flashbacks of Kwame hands of stone just dropping those same exact passes.

And I hope Byron just locks Sacre to the bench for good, there is absolutely no reason for him to play. The feel good underdog story is over. Those are Ed's minutes.

Now we got a glimpse of what the team can be once we get healthy, I don't listen to the haters or these bogus media maggots. If we can just lay in the weeds we can fight for a seeding, I don't see all the greatness in the projections they've made with these other teams. Tonight was one step to improvement....still a lot of work left.

Sorry but this would have been another another 30+ point loss had Favors, Hayward, Burke played their regular minutes. First two combined 24 minutes total, and Trey Burke sit.

ROballer · Post #125 » by **ROballer** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 11:00 am

Sorry,but you're wrong

ChokeFasncists · Post #126 » by **ChokeFasncists** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 11:05 am

jjscap wrote:Trey Burke sit.

Jeremy Lin sit too.

ratra_1211 · Post #127 » by **ratra_1211** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 11:14 am

ChokeFasncists wrote:
jjscap wrote:Trey Burke sit.

Jeremy Lin sit too.

sacre didn't sit for like, 10 minutes.

that wasted 10 minutes could get us 2-5 more points or/and 2-5 points less for the jazz had the minutes was given to hill/davis 8-)

BallAboveAll · Post #128 » by **BallAboveAll** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 1:06 pm

As some have mentioned Hill and Boozer together is not gonna get it done on the defensive end. Start Boozer and Ed David. Let Hill come off the bench he's used do that role. I don't like all the jumpers he's been taking either. Randle needs to be put in earlier I think he's one if the only guys that can create on his own. We need him to get used to the nba game, his scoring will be badly needed. Especially if Kobe is off the floor.

Ronnie Price I like that was a nice pick up. Him and Lin is a decent PG duo for us better than in years past.

Mirjalovic · Post #129 » by **Mirjalovic** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 4:19 pm

jjscap wrote:Sorry but this would have been another another 30+ point loss had Favors, Hayward, Burke played their regular minutes. First two combined 24 minutes total, and Trey Burke sit.

Hello Nostradamus

Lakers missing Nick Young, Xavier Henry, Jeremy Lin, Steve Nash, Ryan "Dirk" Kelly, and Jordan Clarkson.

and we still beat you. Really beat you, not if.

EArl · Post #130 » by **EArl** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 5:31 pm

jjscap wrote:
DEEP3CL wrote:Quick thoughts....

The defense looked more systematic tonight, the rotations and communication was there. Also too Byron cut back on the lesser player minutes, and that was the biggest change. Even Julius covered on his help rotations better and looked engaged.

I liked how Booz played tonight also, he was more deliberate in his moves. No wasted movement.

Wes Johnson played more in the reality of what we expect, he has to get he won't be a 20 point scorer in this league. His money will be made if he does two things, develop more consistency on his jumper weather from 3 or just mid range. The other is realizing that he can be a disruptive/ lock down guy.

And Ed Davis.....telling y'all now he better be in our long term plans. Ed is nice, he's athletic, has nice hands and shows a willingness to bang in the interior to score buckets. When Kobe was drop'in passes to him in the paint and he was grabbing the ball with relative ease, for some reason I was having flashbacks of Kwame hands of stone just dropping those same exact passes.

And I hope Byron just locks Sacre to the bench for good, there is absolutely no reason for him to play. The feel good underdog story is over. Those are Ed's minutes.

Now we got a glimpse of what the team can be once we get healthy, I don't listen to the haters or these bogus media maggots. If we can just lay in the weeds we can fight for a seeding, I don't see all the greatness in the projections they've made with these other teams. Tonight was one step to improvement....still a lot of work left.

Sorry but this would have been another another 30+ point loss had Favors, Hayward, Burke played their regular minutes. First two combined 24 minutes total, and Trey Burke sit.

I'm sorry, but why don't you piss off.

Jajwanda · Post #131 » by **Jajwanda** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 5:36 pm

BallAboveAll wrote:As some have mentioned Hill and Boozer together is not gonna get it done on the defensive end. Start Boozer and Ed David. Let Hill come off the bench he's used do that role. I don't like all the jumpers he's been taking either. Randle needs to be put in earlier I think he's one if the only guys that can create on his own. We need him to get used to the nba game, his scoring will be badly needed. Especially if Kobe is off the floor.

Ronnie Price I like that was a nice pick up. Him and Lin is a decent PG duo for us better than in years past.

I agree with Davis and Boozer together. Against certain teams that have a big C and a jump shooting PF, that arrangement may be a bit tough to pull off but we'll see. Terrence Jones isn't exactly a strong three-point shooter so you might be able to have Boozer guard Howard and Davis come weak-side off of Jones against the Rockets.

Boozer has lost quite a bit of weight this year. He looks noticeably quicker on defense.

Doormatt · Post #132 » by **Doormatt** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 7:33 pm

Jajwanda wrote:Davis and Hill have to be switched at some point. Not sure if Price should start or Lin should. Lin should get the majority of the minutes though. If only Ronnie Price could shoot threes effectively.

Lol I hope you're joking. Price is garbage, shouldn't get any minutes, Lin is actually a really solid point guard with offensive skills, why would you not start him? Price shouldn't even be on the team, id rather have like randy foye or anyone really.

EArl · Post #133 » by **EArl** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 7:41 pm

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVmZ2Ud5Pq0[/youtube]

EArl · Post #134 » by **EArl** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 7:45 pm

I just noticed that Byron Scott looks like Sgt James Doakes from Dexter.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gehTA2DTcE[/youtube]

Doormatt · Post #135 » by **Doormatt** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 9:08 pm

Also exum looked really bad. Like you can just leave him open and he will miss wide open jumpers. Obviously he's young but he's got a lot to work on before he's relevant.

Post #136 » by **Slava** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 9:16 pm

EArl wrote:I just noticed that Byron Scott looks like Sgt James Doakes from Dexter.

Spoiler:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gehTA2DTcE[/youtube]

No Earl, not all black people look alike.

EArl · Post #137 » by **EArl** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 9:20 pm

Slava wrote:
EArl wrote:I just noticed that Byron Scott looks like Sgt James Doakes from Dexter.

Spoiler:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gehTA2DTcE[/youtube]

No Earl, not all black people look alike.

I'm not the only that has noticed this. Do the google search and see.

LApwnd · Post #138 » by **LApwnd** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 9:20 pm

guys arguing over pre-season wins lol.......

phrazbit · Post #139 » by **phrazbit** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 9:25 pm

Outside of pre-draft hype where does the idea that Wes Johnson is or could be a "lock down defender" come from? By just about every defensive measure available Johnson does not merely fall short of being a "lock down" guy, he is absolutely horrible as a defensive player.

anarchy24 · Post #140 » by **anarchy24** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 9:29 pm

phrazbit wrote:Outside of pre-draft hype where does the idea that Wes Johnson is or could be a "lock down defender" come from? By just about every defensive measure available Johnson does not merely fall short of being a "lock down" guy, he is absolutely horrible as a defensive player.

He has the tools to be one, but isn't. Lakers are hoping he can be one. If he can't, no big deal.