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Re: Magic on the Lakers 

Post#21 » by Pointgod » Fri Feb 13, 2015 1:36 am

Magic sounds like such a douche, but he's hit the nail on the head. Keep in mind he hasn't said that anything that multiple posters on this board hasn't said as well. The one part where he is wrong is that we won't land a big name free agent this off-season. We're a house with no foundation. Hell there's not even a blue print yet. I don't see Jim Buss having the foresight to make the move that leads to the next couple of moves to make us a contender.
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Post#22 » by dockingsched » Fri Feb 13, 2015 2:15 am

Pointgod wrote:Hell there's not even a blue print yet.


The blueprint is pretty clear. You're free to agree with it or disagree but how can anyone say there isn't a blueprint?

The lakers are prioritizing cap flexibility above all in order to go after elite talent summer after summer. If that fails, they sign short term deals and use cap to acquire other assets (ie Lin trade) and try again the following year.

For this year they're ensuring as best they can that they keep their pick so that they have some talented youth to develop. Moving clarkson to the starting lineup is part of that.
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Re: Magic on the Lakers 

Post#23 » by Pointgod » Fri Feb 13, 2015 2:50 am

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Pointgod wrote:Hell there's not even a blue print yet.


The blueprint is pretty clear. You're free to agree with it or disagree but how can anyone say there isn't a blueprint?

The lakers are prioritizing cap flexibility above all in order to go after elite talent summer after summer. If that fails, they sign short term deals and use cap to acquire other assets (ie Lin trade) and try again the following year.

For this year they're ensuring as best they can that they keep their pick so that they have some talented youth to develop. Moving clarkson to the starting lineup is part of that.


There is no blueprint only fly by the seat of your pants decision making. Who are we building around? Who are the young guys with promise that we can see growing into franchise corner stones? Don't say our draft pick because that's horrible planning. Fact remains we have Randle and a bunch of guys one year guys that will be gone in free agency. The team whiffed in the summer Dwight left. They whiffed last year and they'll whiff again this year? Why? Because superstar free agents don't go to rebuilding teams plain and simple. And right now we're not even rebuilding we're an empty lot. Keep doing the same things and expecting different results is the definition of insanity. Teams that keep drafting young players and relying on cap space end up like the Sixers and Timberwolves. Those free agents never come because the team is full of losers. If we're going to rebuild then fine, do a proper rebuild and look 5 years down the line to contend. Don't sign Nick Young to a long term contract, don't waste cap space resigning your own free agents when you can use it to acquire assets like you mentioned above and don't sign a win now coach when you need a coach that will develop talent.
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Re: Magic on the Lakers 

Post#24 » by Drones » Fri Feb 13, 2015 5:23 am

I might be one of the few who agrees with most of what Magic said.
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Post#25 » by TankShow » Fri Feb 13, 2015 7:27 pm

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Danny Darko wrote:Criticizing Mitch for the moves he made to surround Kobe with win now talent is ridiculous. No one in the nation thought that was a bad idea at the time.

Jimmy... still debatable

See you can't even blame Mitch for Nash. Jim admitted on espn radio years ago Mitch didn't even want to make a pitch for Nash. Mitch wanted to negotiate with sessions and had a meeting scheduled with Jason Kidd that summer; likely to create a pg tandem, Mitch by Jim's own admission was instructed to do whatever it took to get Nash, and Mitch did that. There was no sense in giving Nash that money, all those picks, or wasting that odom tpe on him


It's easy to say that now three years later, but prior to his arrival in L.A. Nash was still one of the league's top playmakers. Everyone knew because of the lack of depth that team had to be able to stay healthy and they couldn't. Really unbelievable they still managed to win 45 games with Pau and Nash missing so much time and Dwight not being healthy the whole season.

There was no reason that team couldn't have contended had it not been for the injuries. Kobe had one of the most efficient years of his career. Howard and Gasol could've coexisted because of Pau's shooting ability and still could've picked his spots to go down in the post and go to work.
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Re: Magic on the Lakers 

Post#26 » by kblo247 » Fri Feb 13, 2015 11:02 pm

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Danny Darko wrote:Criticizing Mitch for the moves he made to surround Kobe with win now talent is ridiculous. No one in the nation thought that was a bad idea at the time.

Jimmy... still debatable

See you can't even blame Mitch for Nash. Jim admitted on espn radio years ago Mitch didn't even want to make a pitch for Nash. Mitch wanted to negotiate with sessions and had a meeting scheduled with Jason Kidd that summer; likely to create a pg tandem, Mitch by Jim's own admission was instructed to do whatever it took to get Nash, and Mitch did that. There was no sense in giving Nash that money, all those picks, or wasting that odom tpe on him


It's easy to say that now three years later, but prior to his arrival in L.A. Nash was still one of the league's top playmakers. Everyone knew because of the lack of depth that team had to be able to stay healthy and they couldn't. Really unbelievable they still managed to win 45 games with Pau and Nash missing so much time and Dwight not being healthy the whole season.

There was no reason that team couldn't have contended had it not been for the injuries. Kobe had one of the most efficient years of his career. Howard and Gasol could've coexisted because of Pau's shooting ability and still could've picked his spots to go down in the post and go to work.


They didn't contend because of Nash and Dantoni. We were under 500 on that season with Nash, and we were 8 games under with Nash running the o before Kobe took it out his hands and made him a spot up shooter and we went on the run of second best record in the whole league in the last 41 games. Dantoni didn't fit. Hell to not even his own fault, we didn't even fully commit to him, as we didn't even get him his own assistants which was stupid. I mean Phil even said he had to be right and he had to get his own assistants to implement the triangle, yet we hired Dantoni, waited a week for him to show up, and only brought his brother while making him stick with Mike browns assistants. Injuries didn't screw us as much as front office incompetence with the coaching staff. And even if you cite injuries that goes back to firing a strength and conditioning coach just because Phil brought him in, and not even replacing him yet to this day
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Re: Magic on the Lakers 

Post#27 » by No Jumper » Fri Feb 13, 2015 11:04 pm

:crazy: He sad the truth.....
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Post#28 » by LAKESHOW » Sat Feb 14, 2015 8:25 am

There are points to agree with Buss and points to disagree. Everyone on this board has said many if not all of the arguments both sides. My only point was the coaching hires. It is clear that Brown and Dantoni were mistakes. And the dismissal of those 2 coaches proves that these were mistakes by Jim in hiring these coaches. One coach did not know any offense. And the other coach did not know any defense. And Byron is given some rope. Either to hang onto, or to hang himself. Because this squad is in dire need of talent. So well see if Jim hangs onto Byron or uses him as a scapegoat. Personally I like Byron Scott, but this is a tough spot to be in.
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Re: Magic on the Lakers 

Post#29 » by FAH1223 » Sat Feb 14, 2015 8:51 pm

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Mickey_dee wrote:Magic is telling the truth...Jimmy Buss is an idiot.

The d'antonia and nash signings were horrible decisions.

Kupchack should resign


Mitch is a good GM, he can't help it if his boss is a moron.....should you be fired for having a dumb boss who makes you do things that you feel aren't right?


Please Mitch resign

I'd love if it he came to DC.
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Post#30 » by MistyMountain20 » Sun Feb 15, 2015 12:52 am

Crazy how so many people here know the inner workings of the team.

The only really unforgivable moves in recent years have been the coaching hires. 3 terrible choices.
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Post#31 » by dockingsched » Sun Feb 15, 2015 1:18 am

MistyMountain20 wrote:Crazy how so many people here know the inner workings of the team.

The only really unforgivable moves in recent years have been the coaching hires. 3 terrible choices.


The byron Scott hire has really been a well thought out hire. It kept Magic quiet for a bit and has really kinda silenced the coaching critics that were so vocal last year. Most have accepted that there just isn't talent on the team right now and they've accepted the goal of keeping the draft pick.
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Post#32 » by MistyMountain20 » Sun Feb 15, 2015 1:27 am

Oh I'm fine with Scott coaching a going nowhere team. Would we prefer someone who could develop talent and perhaps be a long term coach success, probably, although Scott gives us a higher draft pick. I just hope he's gone by the end of his second year.
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Post#33 » by LApwnd » Sun Feb 15, 2015 2:27 am

MistyMountain20 wrote:Crazy how so many people here know the inner workings of the team.

The only really unforgivable moves in recent years have been the coaching hires. 3 terrible choices.


and thats on Jim
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Post#34 » by MistyMountain20 » Sun Feb 15, 2015 2:30 am

Whatever makes you feel better.
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Re: Magic on the Lakers 

Post#35 » by Dilly » Tue Feb 17, 2015 8:34 pm

I'm loving our future so much money in years to come something great will be build

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