Magic on the Lakers

Ckay · Post #1 » by **Ckay** » Tue Feb 10, 2015 8:38 pm

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffwRp-rXP10[/youtube]

Michael Lucky · Post #2 » by **Michael Lucky** » Tue Feb 10, 2015 8:40 pm

Why does anyone still listen to this guy? Well at least he picked the right show to rant considering it's a perfect reflection of how seriously anyone should take his views.

Mickey_dee · Post #3 » by **Mickey_dee** » Tue Feb 10, 2015 9:00 pm

The d'antonia and nash signings were horrible decisions.

How'd that lawsuit work out, BTW?... Stop Trolling.
-Kilroy

LApwnd · Post #4 » by **LApwnd** » Tue Feb 10, 2015 9:16 pm

Mickey_dee wrote:Magic is telling the truth...Jimmy Buss is an idiot.

The d'antonia and nash signings were horrible decisions.

Kupchack should resign

Mitch is a good GM, he can't help it if his boss is a moron.....should you be fired for having a dumb boss who makes you do things that you feel aren't right?

Post #5 » by **crazyeights** » Tue Feb 10, 2015 10:05 pm

Mickey_dee wrote:Magic is telling the truth...Jimmy Buss is an idiot.

The d'antonia and nash signings were horrible decisions.

Kupchack should resign

Gonna need you to backup that last statement. Otherwise you're just trolling.

Post #6 » by **Danny Darko** » Tue Feb 10, 2015 11:12 pm

Criticizing Mitch for the moves he made to surround Kobe with win now talent is ridiculous. No one in the nation thought that was a bad idea at the time.

Jimmy... still debatable

Michael Lucky · Post #7 » by **Michael Lucky** » Tue Feb 10, 2015 11:37 pm

Danny Darko wrote:Criticizing Mitch for the moves he made to surround Kobe with win now talent is ridiculous. No one in the nation thought that was a bad idea at the time.

Jimmy... still debatable

Not to mention they've been dealt a bad hand by the league and some really bad luck with injuries. First the CP3 trade and then the new cba that limited the options that management could make over the last few seasons. There simply isn't much that management could have done the last few seasons to avoid the level of play we're seeing right now. Then again we've been used to winning so much that there's little patience for losing even if it's necessary in order to get better.

TylersLakers · Post #8 » by **TylersLakers** » Wed Feb 11, 2015 12:04 am

All that talk and hardly anything said about Mitch Kupchak.

kblo247 · Post #9 » by **kblo247** » Wed Feb 11, 2015 12:10 am

End of the day management should've handled Phil better. No matter what you slice it that's where they **** up before Chris Paul. There was no reason to pink slip Phil's whole staff before game 1 at Dallas. That was idiotic. There was no reason to ask all the players who they wanted to coach them and be told by Pau, Kobe, Lamar, Fish, Ron, Matt, and Bynum all that they want Shaw, and then interview Adleman, only to demean Phil in Shaws whole interview, and hire Mike Brown. There was no reason to fire Alex the strength and conditioning coach Phil brought in, and not even replace him, and then wonder why guys are breaking down. There was no reason to ask Dwight who he wanted to coach him, and listen to him say Phil along with all the admitted core besides Nash, and choose Dantoni because Jim wanted Nash and thought in Fairytale land Nash would make everyone better despite being the least accomplished guy of the big 4 when it came to winning. That was utter stupidity to sting Phil along, tell him think it over, and then higher Nash's day later because you couldn't wait, yet didn't bring in any assistants for Dantoni besides his bro, and Dantoni himself took a week to get there and join the team. No matter how you slice it the fact is the front office could have handled anything and everything related to Phil better, and Jim should've took one on the jaw and kissed Phil's ass after saying I ducked up like Kobe and Jerry Buss were both man enough to do to win back in 2005

kblo247 · Post #10 » by **kblo247** » Wed Feb 11, 2015 12:12 am

Danny Darko wrote:Criticizing Mitch for the moves he made to surround Kobe with win now talent is ridiculous. No one in the nation thought that was a bad idea at the time.

Jimmy... still debatable

See you can't even blame Mitch for Nash. Jim admitted on espn radio years ago Mitch didn't even want to make a pitch for Nash. Mitch wanted to negotiate with sessions and had a meeting scheduled with Jason Kidd that summer; likely to create a pg tandem, Mitch by Jim's own admission was instructed to do whatever it took to get Nash, and Mitch did that. There was no sense in giving Nash that money, all those picks, or wasting that odom tpe on him

Post #11 » by **dockingsched** » Wed Feb 11, 2015 2:17 am

Magic Johnson the summer the Lakers acquired Nash and Howard:

Johnson compared the Lakers to the defending NBA champion Miami Heat, insinuating the new Big Three in Hollywood of Howard, Kobe Bryant and newly acquired point guard Steve Nash will mesh better and potentially be more efficient than the Big Three of LeBron James, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh in Miami.

"It's going to take some time to know each other and really know how to play together," Johnson said. "But the difference (from when Miami's Big 3 came together) is you get a real leader in Steve Nash, who gets the Lakers in their offensive set, who can be a penetrator and make everybody better.

"And Dwight Howard does the same thing offensively and defensively. ...When Miami came together, they were all perimeter players, so it took them a while. ...This won't be the case with the Lakers."

Post #12 » by **dockingsched** » Wed Feb 11, 2015 2:28 am

kblo247 wrote:
Danny Darko wrote:Criticizing Mitch for the moves he made to surround Kobe with win now talent is ridiculous. No one in the nation thought that was a bad idea at the time.

Jimmy... still debatable

See you can't even blame Mitch for Nash. Jim admitted on espn radio years ago Mitch didn't even want to make a pitch for Nash. Mitch wanted to negotiate with sessions and had a meeting scheduled with Jason Kidd that summer; likely to create a pg tandem, Mitch by Jim's own admission was instructed to do whatever it took to get Nash, and Mitch did that. There was no sense in giving Nash that money, all those picks, or wasting that odom tpe on him

I believe the actual comments were that mitch simply didn't think it possible to get the Suns to agree to a trade, not that he was against it.

Post #13 » by **Slava** » Wed Feb 11, 2015 2:38 am

I think I lose a few brain cells.

LAKESHOW · Post #14 » by **LAKESHOW** » Wed Feb 11, 2015 3:42 am

He basically placed it all on Jim Buss. Nothing on Jeanie. Nothing on Mitch. This is the same stuff many around here have been saying.

dznutzz · Post #15 » by **dznutzz** » Wed Feb 11, 2015 4:57 am

jim is made to be the fall guy from the start. they needed to keep kobe but kobe wouldn't take less. he has stated this many times in interviews. he's marketable on and off the court so i don't blame him. he just wants his share. plus he had records that were going to be broken and they wanted it to be by a laker he has the organization by the nuts. he has the greenest light in the nba. free agents know this and wouldn't come play in LA. he'll shoot 30x and BS would still say " we need him." i do predict jim being outed 1 yr after kobe retires and jeanie stepping in

Mickey_dee · Post #16 » by **Mickey_dee** » Wed Feb 11, 2015 5:42 pm

I'm surprised Kupchak is getting off blameless in this situation.

Jeanie buss needs to assert herself in 2016, fire kupchak and force jimmy buss into a non-basketball role.

Penberthy · Post #17 » by **Penberthy** » Wed Feb 11, 2015 6:09 pm

Mickey_dee wrote:I'm surprised Kupchak is getting off blameless in this situation.

Jeanie buss needs to assert herself in 2016, fire kupchak and force jimmy buss into a non-basketball role.

When Kupchak's hand's weren't tied (before Jerry died) he did a great job drafting and trading. The consensus seems to be that he now just does as he's told by Jim.

LApwnd · Post #18 » by **LApwnd** » Wed Feb 11, 2015 7:10 pm

Penberthy wrote:
Mickey_dee wrote:I'm surprised Kupchak is getting off blameless in this situation.

Jeanie buss needs to assert herself in 2016, fire kupchak and force jimmy buss into a non-basketball role.

When Kupchak's hand's weren't tied (before Jerry died) he did a great job drafting and trading. The consensus seems to be that he now just does as he's told by Jim.

I truly believe in this sentiment....I see quite a few who tend use Howard/Cp3 to give Credit to Jim Buss, I don't.....all he did IMO was just sign off on it. Jim doesn't seem like the type who's that smart to do what we could've done with the Cp3 trade where we got a long term elite PG and saved money at the same time. Mitch is just a puppet now, yes he still has to work the smaller details of cap and rules etc. but Jimbo is the shot caller and what he says goes.

KobeBryant24 · Post #19 » by **KobeBryant24** » Wed Feb 11, 2015 7:22 pm

Man the laker management is tearing up their rep FAs prob dont even wanna come bc of it

Edrees · Post #20 » by **Edrees** » Wed Feb 11, 2015 9:58 pm

dockingsched wrote:Magic Johnson the summer the Lakers acquired Nash and Howard:

Johnson compared the Lakers to the defending NBA champion Miami Heat, insinuating the new Big Three in Hollywood of Howard, Kobe Bryant and newly acquired point guard Steve Nash will mesh better and potentially be more efficient than the Big Three of LeBron James, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh in Miami.

"It's going to take some time to know each other and really know how to play together," Johnson said. "But the difference (from when Miami's Big 3 came together) is you get a real leader in Steve Nash, who gets the Lakers in their offensive set, who can be a penetrator and make everybody better.

"And Dwight Howard does the same thing offensively and defensively. ...When Miami came together, they were all perimeter players, so it took them a while. ...This won't be the case with the Lakers."

Magic was completely right. Players can't mesh when they are injured and only played like 6 games all year together. If healthy those lakers would have meshed like he suggested.

And Mitch is one of the best in the business. No way should he be fired. The guy you replace him with would be worse without a doubt.

dznutzz wrote:jim is made to be the fall guy from the start. they needed to keep kobe but kobe wouldn't take less. he has stated this many times in interviews. he's marketable on and off the court so i don't blame him. he just wants his share. plus he had records that were going to be broken and they wanted it to be by a laker he has the organization by the nuts. he has the greenest light in the nba. free agents know this and wouldn't come play in LA. he'll shoot 30x and BS would still say " we need him." i do predict jim being outed 1 yr after kobe retires and jeanie stepping in

Kobe said he wouldn't take less before he head 2 seasons end with career threatening season ending injuries. Pretty sure his tune has changed and he could have been had for less. Injuries change everything.