Lakers Trade Ideas Discussion

[MrWaffles]

I'm sorry,

But there is NO WAY you trade a top pick for an expiring contract. That's like trading Lebron for Jose Calderon. YOU DONT DO IT

PERIOD

If we keep our pick, draft the best prospect. Simple as that.

Would rather not tank forever at the same time, especially if that pick is only #3.

Also PG13 is like the third or fourth best S.F in the league, why wouldn't we do it, especially if we got a guarantee of an immediate long term extension (which we almost certainly would i'd imagine with Magic at the helm).

Josh Jackson is good but it would take him years to get to the level of a guy like George.

Two assets is better than one. We could keep our pick this year and then add PG without giving up anything in 2018. No GM will be stupid enough to give up a top 5 pick for an expiring contract in PG.

Rob is a smart man, he wouldn't do it.

[MrWaffles]

If LAL get 1st or 2nd pick...
Select Fultz or Ball...
trade Russell, Randle, Deng and HOU pick to IND for PG13 and M.Ellis...
Sign Ibaka, P.Mills and Ju.Holiday...

Mozgov/Black/Zubac
Ibaka/Nance/Robinson
PG13/Ingram/Undrafted Player
Clarkson/Ellis/Ju.Holiday
Ball (or Fultz)/Mills/Undrafted player

Holy **** I want whatever you are drinking.

2. You want to trade the farm for an expiring contract. This is why you're not a GM in the NBA.

3. Ibka will get max money of 25-30 million this summer. Jrue will get max money of 25-30 this summer. We're not going to give out stupid contracts with Rob as our leader. And frankly, those signings wouldn't help us at all.

4. The fact that you have Mozgov starting on an NBA team is a joke.

Just no. No no no no.

Luckily this will never happen.

[ALL HAIL]

Randle, Clarkson, Black, Mozgov, and HOU first

for

Paul George, Ellis, and Jefferson

PG - Russell - Ellis
SG - Brewer - Nwaba
C - Nance - Zubac
PF - Ingram - Deng
SF - George - Josh Jackson

[Spens1]

I'm sorry,

But there is NO WAY you trade a top pick for an expiring contract. That's like trading Lebron for Jose Calderon. YOU DONT DO IT

PERIOD

If we keep our pick, draft the best prospect. Simple as that.

Would rather not tank forever at the same time, especially if that pick is only #3.

Also PG13 is like the third or fourth best S.F in the league, why wouldn't we do it, especially if we got a guarantee of an immediate long term extension (which we almost certainly would i'd imagine with Magic at the helm).

Josh Jackson is good but it would take him years to get to the level of a guy like George.

Two assets is better than one. We could keep our pick this year and then add PG without giving up anything in 2018. No GM will be stupid enough to give up a top 5 pick for an expiring contract in PG.

Rob is a smart man, he wouldn't do it.

and what guarantee do we have that we even get him as a F.A.

[lelelazza8]

If LAL get 1st or 2nd pick...
Select Fultz or Ball...
trade Russell, Randle, Deng and HOU pick to IND for PG13 and M.Ellis...
Sign Ibaka, P.Mills and Ju.Holiday...

Mozgov/Black/Zubac
Ibaka/Nance/Robinson
PG13/Ingram/Undrafted Player
Clarkson/Ellis/Ju.Holiday
Ball (or Fultz)/Mills/Undrafted player

Holy **** I want whatever you are drinking.

2. You want to trade the farm for an expiring contract. This is why you're not a GM in the NBA.

3. Ibka will get max money of 25-30 million this summer. Jrue will get max money of 25-30 this summer. We're not going to give out stupid contracts with Rob as our leader. And frankly, those signings wouldn't help us at all.

4. The fact that you have Mozgov starting on an NBA team is a joke.

Just no. No no no no.

Luckily this will never happen.

Ju.Holiday is Justin Holiday... not Jrue...
Randle is overrated and I don't see in D'angelo Russell a floor general... so, I prefer to trade both for a great player...

[MrWaffles]

If LAL get 1st or 2nd pick...
Select Fultz or Ball...
trade Russell, Randle, Deng and HOU pick to IND for PG13 and M.Ellis...
Sign Ibaka, P.Mills and Ju.Holiday...

Mozgov/Black/Zubac
Ibaka/Nance/Robinson
PG13/Ingram/Undrafted Player
Clarkson/Ellis/Ju.Holiday
Ball (or Fultz)/Mills/Undrafted player

Holy **** I want whatever you are drinking.

2. You want to trade the farm for an expiring contract. This is why you're not a GM in the NBA.

3. Ibka will get max money of 25-30 million this summer. Jrue will get max money of 25-30 this summer. We're not going to give out stupid contracts with Rob as our leader. And frankly, those signings wouldn't help us at all.

4. The fact that you have Mozgov starting on an NBA team is a joke.

Just no. No no no no.

Luckily this will never happen.

Ju.Holiday is Justin Holiday... not Jrue...
Randle is overrated and I don't see in D'angelo Russell a floor general... so, I prefer to trade both for a great player...

Justin Holiday isn't going to make this team any better. Ibka could, but won't. He wants to win and the Raptors will dish out the money to keep him there.

Randle is a little overrated, but this is his second year in the league playing and he's still learning.

Russell isn't going to get us great value in return. If Cousins can only get you Buddy Hield, I don't want to know what Russell could get us. He's 21 years of age, he's going to be a great laker. He's putting up great numbers post All Star break.

Clarkson + Deng + 2019 2nd + 2017 2nd to Wolves, in return of Jordan Hill.

Mozgov + Randle + Rockets 2017 1st to the Nets. Nets trade Lopez for another pick in this years draft and they are rebuilding quickly.

I believe in Rob and Ryan. They will make us great again, no more stupid contracts. He's got a great eye for talent. He's going to be huge for us.

[Penberthy]

Randle, Clarkson, Black, Mozgov, and HOU first

for

Paul George, Ellis, and Jefferson

PG - Russell - Ellis
SG - Brewer - Nwaba
C - Nance - Zubac
PF - Ingram - Deng
SF - George - Josh Jackson

I like this, but will this team even make the salary floor? Can you fill it out with some complimentary pieces?

Or, which FAs would you go after in 2018?

[ALL HAIL]

Randle, Clarkson, Black, Mozgov, and HOU first

for

Paul George, Ellis, and Jefferson

PG - Russell - Ellis
SG - Brewer - Nwaba
C - Zubac - (Nance) Deng
PF - Nance - Ingram
SF - George - Josh Jackson

**edited**

I like this, but will this team even make the salary floor? Can you fill it out with some complimentary pieces?

Or, which FAs would you go after in 2018?

I made a couple of alterations to that lineup, but to answer your question, I'd go after Avery Bradley in 2018 and give Corey Brewer's rotational minutes to Josh Hart (who, I believe, should be drafted with this year's 2nd round pick):

PG - Russell - Josh Jackson
SG - Avery Bradley - Nwaba
C - Zubac - (Nance) Deng
PF - Nance - Ingram
SF - George - Josh Hart

[spree8]

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[Princeinrevolt]

Randle, Clarkson, Black, Mozgov, and HOU first

for

Paul George, Ellis, and Jefferson

PG - Russell - Ellis
SG - Brewer - Nwaba
C - Nance - Zubac
PF - Ingram - Deng
SF - George - Josh Jackson

Not enough spot up shooters in the starting lineup. I say start Josh Jackson at SG, and get a good spot up shooter at SG of the bench, and Brewer would be the backup SF.

PG: Russell, Ellis
SG: Jackson, (3pt. Shooter), Nwaba
SF: George, Brewer
PF: Ingram, Deng
C: Nance Jr., Zubac

I personally would only make that trade you suggested only if we keep the first round pick. But I believe I helped fix the lineup you initially made. What do you think?

[spree8]

Clarkson, Brewer & Top 3 pick for PG

Deng, Moz, & JRandle for Melo




D' Angelo Russell/ Tyler Ennis
Nick Young
Paul George/ Brandon Ingram
Carmelo Anthony/ Larry Nance
Tarik Black/ Ivica Zubac



That saves you guys like 17-18 mil, and gives you like 35-40 mil in cap room to sign a big FA still. Cp3 maybe?

If Young opts out, that's an extra 6 mil... maybe Cp3 & DWade?

[ALL HAIL]

Randle, Clarkson, Black, Mozgov, and HOU first

for

Paul George, Ellis, and Jefferson

PG - Russell - Ellis
SG - Brewer - Nwaba
C - Nance - Zubac
PF - Ingram - Deng
SF - George - Josh Jackson

Not enough spot up shooters in the starting lineup. I say start Josh Jackson at SG, and get a good spot up shooter at SG of the bench, and Brewer would be the backup SF.

PG: Russell, Ellis
SG: Jackson, (3pt. Shooter), Nwaba
SF: George, Brewer
PF: Ingram, Deng
C: Nance Jr., Zubac

I personally would only make that trade you suggested only if we keep the first round pick. But I believe I helped fix the lineup you initially made. What do you think?

With Jackson starting, the bench losses the necessary ball handling it needs. Monta Ellis as your primary and secondary ball handler is a recipe for disaster. I think that second unit needs not only Jackson in it but also Ingram. Those two would serve as primary ball handlers even though they're listed as SF and PF.

You're right about the lack of shooting though. That was a conscious decision on my part to give the team a more defensive lean and to put more pressure on Russell, Ingram, and George to fill that void themselves.

That very calculated outside shooting void is something I would go into the season paying very close attention to (similar to Cleveland's backup PG void) and I'd have the contingency plans to rectify the problem if it, in fact, proved to be detrimental (i.e. move Josh Hart into the rotation and/or replace Monta Ellis with a pure shooting backup PG like Hinrich or Fredette or any other big shooter who can guard both guard spots ... Deng, if he regains his shot, starting in place of Nance could help as well)

Russell, IMO, needs the pressure of knowing this team needs him to be a forty percent three point shooter. Ingram as well. They're both capable. If they improve in that area, the problem becomes much less significant.

The Lakers need more grit and toughness. If outside shooting is sacrificed (a bit) to achieve that end, I think it's worth it:

PG - Russell - Ellis
SG - Brewer - Nwaba
C - Zubac - (Nance) Deng
PF - Nance - Ingram
SF - George - Jackson

[Vae Victus]

Win Lotto #1 or 2

Draft Fultz or Ball

Deng + Ingram for PG13

Mozgov + Brewer + Randle + HOU 1st for Brook Lopez

Blake Griffin signs for max, Magic uses the power of his winning smile to convince him the LAL future is much brighter

Boogie sees how awesome it is in LA and demands to be traded there or he'll bolt with NOP getting nothing

BroLo + Future 1st + Cash for Boogie + Ajinca
In news presser Magic's chesire grin gets BIGGER

C - Boogie, Zubac
PF- Griffin, Nance
SF- PG13, Ring Chaser
SG- DLo, Clarkson
PG- Fultz/Ball, Ring Chaser

We all worship at the altar of MAGIC! BRINGER OF RINGS!!!

[Slava]

Clarkson, Brewer & Top 3 pick for PG

Deng, Moz, & JRandle for Melo




D' Angelo Russell/ Tyler Ennis
Nick Young
Paul George/ Brandon Ingram
Carmelo Anthony/ Larry Nance
Tarik Black/ Ivica Zubac



That saves you guys like 17-18 mil, and gives you like 35-40 mil in cap room to sign a big FA still. Cp3 maybe?

If Young opts out, that's an extra 6 mil... maybe Cp3 & DWade?

I'd like a version that doesn't include melo. I want no part of that.

[spree8]

Clarkson, Brewer & Top 3 pick for PG

Deng, Moz, & JRandle for Melo




D' Angelo Russell/ Tyler Ennis
Nick Young
Paul George/ Brandon Ingram
Carmelo Anthony/ Larry Nance
Tarik Black/ Ivica Zubac



That saves you guys like 17-18 mil, and gives you like 35-40 mil in cap room to sign a big FA still. Cp3 maybe?

If Young opts out, that's an extra 6 mil... maybe Cp3 & DWade?

I'd like a version that doesn't include melo. I want no part of that.

Even with taking Deng & Moz while enticing his boys Cp3 and maybe Wade to sign there?

[Slava]

Clarkson, Brewer & Top 3 pick for PG

Deng, Moz, & JRandle for Melo




D' Angelo Russell/ Tyler Ennis
Nick Young
Paul George/ Brandon Ingram
Carmelo Anthony/ Larry Nance
Tarik Black/ Ivica Zubac



That saves you guys like 17-18 mil, and gives you like 35-40 mil in cap room to sign a big FA still. Cp3 maybe?

If Young opts out, that's an extra 6 mil... maybe Cp3 & DWade?

I'd like a version that doesn't include melo. I want no part of that.

Even with taking Deng & Moz while enticing his boys Cp3 and maybe Wade to sign there?

I doubt cp3 is leaving the clippers. Wade is done and melo is almost there. There's better chance we might get better production out of Deng by moving him to his natural position as a starting pf and use Mozgov as a back up center.

[Pythagoras]

Clarkson, Brewer & Top 3 pick for PG

Deng, Moz, & JRandle for Melo




D' Angelo Russell/ Tyler Ennis
Nick Young
Paul George/ Brandon Ingram
Carmelo Anthony/ Larry Nance
Tarik Black/ Ivica Zubac



That saves you guys like 17-18 mil, and gives you like 35-40 mil in cap room to sign a big FA still. Cp3 maybe?

If Young opts out, that's an extra 6 mil... maybe Cp3 & DWade?

I'd like a version that doesn't include melo. I want no part of that.

Even with taking Deng & Moz while enticing his boys Cp3 and maybe Wade to sign there?

The Knicks would really take on Deng and Moz for only JR and just to move away from Melo???

[Dr Aki]

the price the Lakers should pay AT MOST, should be the same to dump Deng or Mozgov. because that's what the cap space would go towards, signing George for free. paying extra is dead value and simply bidding against oneself. thus, all deals centring around the Lakers and Paul George should include a Deng or Mozgov dump with no long term (post 2018) salary coming back

that means no to Ellis, Thad Young, yes to Al Jeff (he's a 2017/18 expiring if we forgo the 2018/19 team option, though 10 million for Al Jeff is quite a deal in this era)

if Indiana won't accept a Deng or Mozgov dump with Clarkson, Randle, HOU 1st and filler, then we trade the same package for pure cap space (hopefully) and sign George and a second star with that cap space.

it's sh*tty for Indiana, but they shouldn't have let it get to this point, where George has 1 year remaining, holds all the leverage, and is actively tanking his value for other potential suitors by saying he won't sign an extension and that he's going to sign in LA.

anyone trading Russell, Ingram or the top #3 pick for George should be taken out back and shot, if you're going to trade those assets, find a star for trade that has more years left on his contract that we cannot simply sign for free.

like Butler, or ideally... Davis

[Pythagoras]

anyone trading Russell, Ingram or the top #3 pick for George should be taken out back and shot, if you're going to trade those assets, find a star for trade that has more years left on his contract that we cannot simply sign for free.

like Butler, or ideally... Davis

This point cannot be repeated often enough. I don't even think Russell or Ingram should be available period, but if you do shop either one, you better be getting a godfather level package back. Paul George with one year left on his deal does not qualify.

[Princeinrevolt]

Randle, Clarkson, Black, Mozgov, and HOU first

for

Paul George, Ellis, and Jefferson

PG - Russell - Ellis
SG - Brewer - Nwaba
C - Nance - Zubac
PF - Ingram - Deng
SF - George - Josh Jackson

Not enough spot up shooters in the starting lineup. I say start Josh Jackson at SG, and get a good spot up shooter at SG of the bench, and Brewer would be the backup SF.

PG: Russell, Ellis
SG: Jackson, (3pt. Shooter), Nwaba
SF: George, Brewer
PF: Ingram, Deng
C: Nance Jr., Zubac

I personally would only make that trade you suggested only if we keep the first round pick. But I believe I helped fix the lineup you initially made. What do you think?

With Jackson starting, the bench losses the necessary ball handling it needs. Monta Ellis as your primary and secondary ball handler is a recipe for disaster. I think that second unit needs not only Jackson in it but also Ingram. Those two would serve as primary ball handlers even though they're listed as SF and PF.

You're right about the lack of shooting though. That was a conscious decision on my part to give the team a more defensive lean and to put more pressure on Russell, Ingram, and George to fill that void themselves.

That very calculated outside shooting void is something I would go into the season paying very close attention to (similar to Cleveland's backup PG void) and I'd have the contingency plans to rectify the problem if it, in fact, proved to be detrimental (i.e. move Josh Hart into the rotation and/or replace Monta Ellis with a pure shooting backup PG like Hinrich or Fredette or any other big shooter who can guard both guard spots ... Deng, if he regains his shot, starting in place of Nance could help as well)

Russell, IMO, needs the pressure of knowing this team needs him to be a forty percent three point shooter. Ingram as well. They're both capable. If they improve in that area, the problem becomes much less significant.

The Lakers need more grit and toughness. If outside shooting is sacrificed (a bit) to achieve that end, I think it's worth it:

PG - Russell - Ellis
SG - Brewer - Nwaba
C - Zubac - (Nance) Deng
PF - Nance - Ingram
SF - George - Jackson

Maybe instead of Nwaba, we can get a low end 3&D guy? Maybe like CJ Miles? I'd start CJ miles, and have Brewer as our back up Sg! If this lineup is for next year, then having Ingram, and Jackson on the bench is not a bad idea. I was also afraid that our Starting lineup was too small, so starting Zubac w/ Nance is a good idea. But I also have to say, I'm not a big Monta Ellis fan. But with your trade, and having him on the bench seems like not too bad of an idea. This team could make the playoffs if everything goes right. Also with the trade you suggested, we can't trade Tarik Black, because he will be a free agent (team option), and even if we picked up the team option, I don't think they would want him tbh. I say we keep him on another 1+1 contract, and have him as our backup center.