Update: Motiejunas now a UFA as Rockets have released his rights

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Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Stein: Nets prepping an offer sheet for Motiejunas 

Post#41 » by K_chile22 » Fri Dec 2, 2016 4:08 am

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I_Socrates wrote:It'll be above what Houston offered, but front loaded so the Nets can pay the bulk of the salary off this season.
That's the smart move here, IMO. Use Morey's tactics against him to make it like a $20M cap hit this season so Houston won't dare match because they'll be in the luxury tax.

Well there are limits to how much a contract can change year to year, I believe it's 7.5% (right cap guys?), if you are referring to the unbalanced contract given out to Lin and Asik, I believe that was because of the Arenas provision, the first two years of someone in that situation (like Tyler Johnson) are restricted to the MLE and any year after that cango up to the max. You can't just be like "here's 30 million but you get 20 up front then 5 and 5" that's illegal under the CBA. I'm pretty sure, hopefully I'm not wrong and look stupid

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So let's assume what the Rockets offered him was $10M per for 3 years. If the Nets want to beat that and say offer 12.5 per for 4, that's 4 years, $50M. They can structure the deal to be where the cap hit is $20M the first season and then $10M per season after that for the Rockets, but remains at $12.5M per for the Nets while payments also remain at $12.5 (or whatever increasing structure they choose between $10-14M).

Perfectly legal under the CBA and perfectly applicable to this scenario because Motiejunas is an RFA.

I think the exact amount they'd have to offer for the first year is ~$18M which puts Houston just over the luxury tax making it a guarantee that they don't match. Of course they could always match and cut someone, but it's safe to say Houston doesn't like him enough or they'd have re-signed him already.

Well a 4 year contract is just not a good idea so they shouldn't match anyways

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Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Stein: Nets prepping an offer sheet for Motiejunas 

Post#42 » by NashtyNas » Fri Dec 2, 2016 4:09 am

K_chile22 wrote:Well a 4 year contract is just not a good idea so they shouldn't match anyways

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I was just giving you a scenario - the same is applicable on a deal of any other length. I think it can even be done on a 1 year deal though I'm not certain about that.
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Re: Stein: Nets prepping an offer sheet for Motiejunas 

Post#43 » by Resistance » Fri Dec 2, 2016 4:16 am

I will give you time to research the CBA FAQ and edit your post.
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Re: Stein: Nets prepping an offer sheet for Motiejunas 

Post#44 » by jackwindham » Fri Dec 2, 2016 4:24 am

Are the Rockets really all that interested in keeping Motiejunas?
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Re: Stein: Nets prepping an offer sheet for Motiejunas 

Post#45 » by Prokorov » Fri Dec 2, 2016 4:33 am

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babyjax13 wrote:I think this is a good move for Brooklyn. I love Trevor Booker, but DMO is just better, and this gives them a lot more flexibility in their frontcourt to try different looks. How they defend will be interesting, though.

Dmo isn't as athletic but he is definitely a plus defender at 4, he positions himself well, draws lots of charges, and uses length to contest shots when he isn't quick enough to stay close to smaller players. At center his rebounding and rim protection are not good though


My question is how their rebounding looks with Brook and DMo, primarily.


he would come off the bench so he would just need to outrebound scola/hamilton which isnt very difficult.

Marks gave booker a gaurantee he would start in order to sign with the nets.
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Re: Stein: Nets prepping an offer sheet for Motiejunas 

Post#46 » by babyjax13 » Fri Dec 2, 2016 4:42 am

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K_chile22 wrote:Dmo isn't as athletic but he is definitely a plus defender at 4, he positions himself well, draws lots of charges, and uses length to contest shots when he isn't quick enough to stay close to smaller players. At center his rebounding and rim protection are not good though


My question is how their rebounding looks with Brook and DMo, primarily.


he would come off the bench so he would just need to outrebound scola/hamilton which isnt very difficult.

Marks gave booker a gaurantee he would start in order to sign with the nets.


I miss Booker so much, I hope you guys are happy with him. I'm pretty happy to see that he is playing exactly as I expected when he signed (btw, y'all have a great board, one of my favorite to visit).
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Re: Stein: Nets prepping an offer sheet for Motiejunas 

Post#47 » by Prokorov » Fri Dec 2, 2016 4:48 am

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My question is how their rebounding looks with Brook and DMo, primarily.


he would come off the bench so he would just need to outrebound scola/hamilton which isnt very difficult.

Marks gave booker a gaurantee he would start in order to sign with the nets.


I miss Booker so much, I hope you guys are happy with him. I'm pretty happy to see that he is playing exactly as I expected when he signed (btw, y'all have a great board, one of my favorite to visit).


Yeah he is a fan favorite with his hustle for sure. still dont love the contract but id take him on my team any day and a great leader/teammate
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Re: Stein: Nets prepping an offer sheet for Motiejunas 

Post#48 » by jackwindham » Fri Dec 2, 2016 5:41 am

I think it's a bad thing when general managers are offering starting jobs to players. That undermines the head coach.
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Re: Stein: Nets prepping an offer sheet for Motiejunas 

Post#49 » by NashtyNas » Fri Dec 2, 2016 6:55 am

Resistance wrote:I will give you time to research the CBA FAQ and edit your post.


I may very well be, and that's okay. I don't think it's that bad to be wrong? :wink:
If he's correct and they can't offer such a contract, you're just taking the risk that HOU matches.
It's not that big of a risk anyhow, so I'm not certain any of that matters really.
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Re: Stein: Nets prepping an offer sheet for Motiejunas 

Post#50 » by HartfordWhalers » Fri Dec 2, 2016 11:52 am

Since Nets don't have his Bird rights, it would be only a 4.5% maximum increase or decrease year over year.
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Re: Stein: Nets prepping an offer sheet for Motiejunas 

Post#51 » by Trader_Joe » Fri Dec 2, 2016 3:32 pm

So, I'm "hearing" Foye will be the one cut.
(edit: same guy thought they had to cut someone once the offer was made, as opposed to if it is matched so that could change things)

Also, I'm guessing 3/40 will be the deal and the same insider said it was a good guess, though he claims he hasn't heard any numbers.

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If he's healthy (and Lin and LeVert should be back soon) this could be an interesting mix.

Lin / Whitehead / Ferrell
Bogdanovic / Kilpatrick / Harris
RHJ / LeVert
Booker / D.Mo / McCullough
Lopez / Hamilton / Scola / Bennett

I would try to move Scola, but apparently D.Mo idolized him growing up and he's is a great locker room guy. Next one out would be Bennett for me, but for some reason the team seems to like him and thinks he's salvageable. Too many bigs, but wouldn't be surprised if we see some Booker at SF.
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Re: Stein: Nets prepping an offer sheet for Motiejunas 

Post#52 » by Patsfan1081 » Fri Dec 2, 2016 7:55 pm

Wait is D-Mo fully healthy now? Still seems a bit scary to me giving him that much guarenteed money over three years. I know Brooklyn has plenty of cap space so maybe it's not much of a gamble but they have seen their fair share of injuries over the past couple of seasons.
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Re: RE: Re: Stein: Nets prepping an offer sheet for Motiejunas 

Post#53 » by K_chile22 » Sat Dec 3, 2016 12:28 am

Patsfan1081 wrote:Wait is D-Mo fully healthy now? Still seems a bit scary to me giving him that much guarenteed money over three years. I know Brooklyn has plenty of cap space so maybe it's not much of a gamble but they have seen their fair share of injuries over the past couple of seasons.

I really don't see the downside for them. They will struggle to get good players to take their money for a few years. Having it tied up while taking a chance isn't a big deal because what would they have done with the money otherwise?

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Re: Stein: Nets prepping an offer sheet for Motiejunas 

Post#54 » by Texas Chuck » Sat Dec 3, 2016 12:41 am

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Re: Stein: Nets prepping an offer sheet for Motiejunas 

Post#55 » by loserX » Sat Dec 3, 2016 12:42 am

Marc Spears now reporting that the offer sheet has been extended and signed:

$37M over 4 years. No word on guarantees/options. Updating thread title.
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Re: Stein: Nets prepping an offer sheet for Motiejunas 

Post#56 » by Texas Chuck » Sat Dec 3, 2016 12:42 am

loserX wrote:Marc Spears now reporting that the offer sheet has been extended and signed:

$37M over 4 years. No word on guarantees/options. Updating thread title.


already got it mate
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Re: Stein: Nets prepping an offer sheet for Motiejunas 

Post#57 » by loserX » Sat Dec 3, 2016 12:43 am

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loserX wrote:Marc Spears now reporting that the offer sheet has been extended and signed:

$37M over 4 years. No word on guarantees/options. Updating thread title.


already got it mate


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Re: Stein: Nets prepping an offer sheet for Motiejunas 

Post#58 » by Texas Chuck » Sat Dec 3, 2016 12:45 am

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loserX wrote:Marc Spears now reporting that the offer sheet has been extended and signed:

$37M over 4 years. No word on guarantees/options. Updating thread title.


already got it mate


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Oh man dude if you are slower than me you did have a problem. I have the first step of Mark Eaton with like 14 less inches and 85 less pounds.

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Re: Update (Spears) Nets offer Motiejunas 4/$37M 

Post#59 » by K_chile22 » Sat Dec 3, 2016 12:56 am

Last two years unguarenteed!? I know they can't trade him this offseason, that sucks, but they should definitely match. It's cheaper and more team friendly than I thought.
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Re: Update (Spears) Nets offer Motiejunas 4/$37M 

Post#60 » by Ror1997 » Sat Dec 3, 2016 1:06 am

I don't know which way this is going to go but I could see Houston matching.

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