Jose Can You Ski?: TOR - WSH - CHA

Evermore · Post #1 » by **Evermore** » Mon May 24, 2010 12:38 am

Toronto --> Hedo Turkoglu, Jose Calderon, Marcus Banks, Reggie Evans
Toronto <-- Gilbert Arenas, Tyson Chandler, Al Thornton

Washingston --> Gilbert Arenas, Al Thornton
Washington <-- Hedo Turkoglu, DeSagana Diop, DJ Augustin

Charlotte --> Tyson Chandler, DeSagana Diop
Charlotte <-- Jose Calderon, Marcus Banks, Reggie Evans

Raptors: they get a much needed offensive player for their backcourt while shedding 4 unwanted players...

Arenas/Jack
DeRozan/BelinelliX
ThorntonX/Weems
Bargnani/Johnson?
ChandlerX/Bynum?

Wizards: they get Arenas off their roster and save a little money in the process...

Wall/Augustin
YoungX
Turkoglu
Blatche
McGee/Diop

Bobcats: they get an efficient pass-first PG in Calderon while Banks and Evans are Xpiring contracts...

Calderon/BanksX
Jackson/Henderson
Wallace
Diaw/EvansX
MohammedX

Relentless88 · Post #2 » by **Relentless88** » Mon May 24, 2010 12:40 am

Raptors will easily take this, thanks.

ho11a · Post #3 » by **ho11a** » Mon May 24, 2010 12:42 am

Finally, those (Please Use More Appropriate Word) euros are gone.

Evermore · Post #4 » by **Evermore** » Mon May 24, 2010 12:43 am

Relentless88 wrote:Raptors will easily take this, thanks.

I had thought the Raps might have to include the 13th pick and send it to Washington...

Do you still make the deal?

donkeylips · Post #5 » by **donkeylips** » Mon May 24, 2010 1:10 am

washington declines this trade easily. i'd rather pay arenas than pay hedo and diop. for the wizards team, thornton>augustin.

Evermore · Post #6 » by **Evermore** » Mon May 24, 2010 1:13 am

donkeylips wrote:washington declines this trade easily. i'd rather pay arenas than pay hedo and diop. for the wizards team, thornton>augustin.

Me too. But rumour has it the Wiz want Arenas gone...

donkeylips · Post #7 » by **donkeylips** » Mon May 24, 2010 1:22 am

doubt they would take both hedo and diop for him. arenas can still be productive. diop wont get pt and hedo is garbage

BossHoggin · Post #8 » by **BossHoggin** » Mon May 24, 2010 1:26 am

ho11a wrote:Finally, those (Please Use More Appropriate Word) euros are gone.

you seriously have no room to call anyone names

Hoopalotta · Post #9 » by **Hoopalotta** » Mon May 24, 2010 3:04 am

Evermore wrote:
donkeylips wrote:washington declines this trade easily. i'd rather pay arenas than pay hedo and diop. for the wizards team, thornton>augustin.

Me too. But rumour has it the Wiz want Arenas gone...

There's been one completely over the top report about this from John Mitchell, that's it. To this point, it's unclear as to the validity of it and we're waiting for some follow ups.

Evermore · Post #10 » by **Evermore** » Mon May 24, 2010 4:13 am

Hoopalotta wrote:
Evermore wrote:
donkeylips wrote:washington declines this trade easily. i'd rather pay arenas than pay hedo and diop. for the wizards team, thornton>augustin.

Me too. But rumour has it the Wiz want Arenas gone...

There's been one completely over the top report about this from John Mitchell, that's it. To this point, it's unclear as to the validity of it and we're waiting for some follow ups.

Let's assume the Wiz would like to dump the 80 million remaining on Arenas' contract...

It would make sense give then legal troubles he's had this past year...as well as the inevitable selection of Wall

Hoopalotta · Post #11 » by **Hoopalotta** » Mon May 24, 2010 4:34 am

Evermore wrote:Let's assume the Wiz would like to dump the 80 million remaining on Arenas' contract...

It would make sense give then legal troubles he's had this past year...as well as the inevitable selection of Wall

That's definitely a sound stance; I'm more calling into question the over the top haterade consumption in the particular article that caught the attention of the wiretap and also refuting the degree of desperation and urgency in the dump.

My view is we have:

Ernie Grudnfeld - GM: Hates Gil
Ted Leonsis - Owner: Question mark, but probably not a hyper extreme view
Flip Saunders - Coach: Definite Gil backer

Evermore · Post #12 » by **Evermore** » Mon May 24, 2010 4:54 am

Hoopalotta wrote:
Evermore wrote:Let's assume the Wiz would like to dump the 80 million remaining on Arenas' contract...

It would make sense give then legal troubles he's had this past year...as well as the inevitable selection of Wall

That's definitely a sound stance; I'm more calling into question the over the top haterade consumption in the particular article that caught the attention of the wiretap and also refuting the degree of desperation and urgency in the dump.

My view is we have:

Ernie Grudnfeld - GM: Hates Gil
Ted Leonsis - Owner: Question mark, but probably not a hyper extreme view
Flip Saunders - Coach: Definite Gil backer

Let's assume as a whole...the organization would like to move on

What type of return can they reasonably expect for Arenas?

They'll almost certainly have to take back an ugly contract or two...

Are there more than 2 or 3 teams that would even consider taking on Arenas?

I personally wouldn't think so...

Hoopalotta · Post #13 » by **Hoopalotta** » Mon May 24, 2010 5:07 am

Evermore wrote:Are there more than 2 or 3 teams that would even consider taking on Arenas?

I personally wouldn't think so...

If the 'Zards are committed to moving Gil, I'm thinking the best bet is if a star free agent makes a push in July that 'something needs to happen' and that something is Gil.

For example, 'Bron goes to New York with a power forward and says 'trade Chicken Curry, Chandler and Walker for Gil'. Doesn't cost any cap space.

Or maybe Dallas makes a splash under pressure from Dirk (for example, I'm not saying Dirk signs off on that).

If Bosh pushes for it to stay in Toronto, then something there maybe.

I don't know what these guys druthers are, but that type of thing.

Second scenario is a team like Orlando biting down and taking a big gamble for a chip.

But at the very least, I would expect the Zards to wait till July even if it's true that the organization has really decided on moving him. A draft night deal seems very unlikely unless it's for expirings without incentive from Washington.

Evermore · Post #14 » by **Evermore** » Mon May 24, 2010 5:29 am

Hoopalotta wrote:
Evermore wrote:Are there more than 2 or 3 teams that would even consider taking on Arenas?

I personally wouldn't think so...

If the 'Zards are committed to moving Gil, I'm thinking the best bet is if a star free agent makes a push in July that 'something needs to happen' and that something is Gil.

For example, 'Bron goes to New York with a power forward and says 'trade Chicken Curry, Chandler and Walker for Gil'. Doesn't cost any cap space.

Or maybe Dallas makes a splash under pressure from Dirk (for example, I'm not saying Dirk signs off on that).

If Bosh pushes for it to stay in Toronto, then something there maybe.

I don't know what these guys druthers are, but that type of thing.

Second scenario is a team like Orlando biting down and taking a big gamble for a chip.

But at the very least, I would expect the Zards to wait till July even if it's true that the organization has really decided on moving him. A draft night deal seems very unlikely unless it's for expirings without incentive from Washington.

I think the best fit for Arenas would be in Orlando...or possibly New York

Having said that...given their history...I have a feeling the Knicks will be more sensible this time around with the types of contracts they have on their roster