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POR-MEM-NOH 

Post#1 » by DeBlazerRiddem » Wed Jul 21, 2010 1:16 am

Portland
Trades: Bayless, Fernandez, Pryzbilla, Babbit, Pendergraph
Receives: Conley, Okafor
Math
Out: $2,292,600 + $1,246,680 + $7,405,300 + $1,645,440 + $762,195 = $13,352,215
In: $4,913,007 + $11,795,000 = $16,708,007

Does it work?

$13,352,215*1.25= $16,690,300
$16,690,300+$100,000= $16,790,300
$16,790,300 > $16,708,007

Memphis
Trades: Conley, Thabeet
Receives: Collison, Pryzbilla
Out: $4,913,007 + $4,793,280 = $9,706,287
In: $1,361,040 + $7,405,300 = $8,766,340

$8,766,340*1.25=$10,957,900
$10,957,900 > $9,706,287

New Orleans
Trades: Collison, Okafor
Receives: Thabeet, Bayless, Fernandez, Babbitt, Pendergraph
Out: $1,361,040 + $11,795,000 = $13,156,040
In: $4,793,280 + $2,292,600 + $1,246,680 + $1,645,440 + $762,195= $10,740,195

$10,740,195*1.25= $13,425,200
$13,425,200 > $13,156,040

Why for the teams?
Portland
They get a purer point with shooting ability to play back-up to Miller and potentially take over in a few years. Although Okafor would be a wildly over-paid back-up with Camby it would give our front-line a depth and versatility unmatched in the league.

Memphis
They cash in on the Collison lottery prize, cut some cost ($939,947), as well as acquire a defensive minded center to back-up Gasol (or possibly play side by side for short minutes). It shouldn't be more than 2 months into the season that Joel is healthy, but is a much better fitting and sure product than Thabeet.

New Orleans
Wanting to cash in on Collison's current value and cut costs ($2,415,845). They get a host of cheap young players on rookie scales. If anyone could help Thabeet, Paul would, and Thabeet could mesh decently with West. If worse comes to worse and Paul opts out, New Orleans still has plenty of young assets at a variety of positions to begin the rebuild. They are perhaps the most doubtful in completing trade as constructed, as they could potentially get a better offer.

Modifications/Problems?

-The obvious modification is that Portland cuts out Memphis and gets Collison while NOH gets Pryzbilla. My intent was that the Hornets want more young assets and Thabeet is what makes their decision. (Is realistic or is Thabeet too much a bust?)

-Another possibility is change up where Bayless/Conley/Collison go, is there a better solution?

-Offer if and how you would tweak the trade to make it more appealing, and any potential problems you see. Thanks!
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Post#2 » by Agenda42 » Wed Jul 21, 2010 1:19 am

I hate this for Portland. I'd rather have Bayless than Conley straight up.

I really don't think Memphis's package has the value to land Collison, much less do it without being the team to take Okafor's contract.
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Post#3 » by DusterBuster » Wed Jul 21, 2010 1:22 am

Blazers should just cut the Grizzlies out of this.
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Post#4 » by Malapropism » Wed Jul 21, 2010 1:22 am

Why does Portland do this???
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Post#5 » by Myth » Wed Jul 21, 2010 1:29 am

DeBlazerRiddem wrote:Portland
Trades: Bayless, Fernandez, Pryzbilla, Babbit, Pendergraph
Receives: Conley, Okafor
Math
Out: $2,292,600 + $1,246,680 + $7,405,300 + $1,645,440 + $762,195 = $13,352,215
In: $4,913,007 + $11,795,000 = $16,708,007

Does it work?

$13,352,215*1.25= $16,690,300
$16,690,300+$100,000= $16,790,300
$16,790,300 > $16,708,007


I hate, hate, hate this for Portland. Conley is not worth Bayless, Rudy, and Babbitt, while we are trading Przybilla's expiring contract and Pendergraphs cheap contract for the overpaid Okafor? Yuck.
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Post#6 » by Manuel Calavera » Wed Jul 21, 2010 2:01 am

Cut Memphis out, send Przybilla to NOH, Collison to PDX
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Post#7 » by Bob loblaw » Wed Jul 21, 2010 2:04 am

horrible for Portland...
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Post#8 » by DeBlazerRiddem » Wed Jul 21, 2010 2:31 am

More rejection from Portland than I anticipated..

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DusterBuster wrote:Blazers should just cut the Grizzlies out of this.

Manuel Calavera wrote:Cut Memphis out, send Przybilla to NOH, Collison to PDX


I know. But I have seen that trade too often, was trying something new in case Pryzbilla didn't interest New Orleans. Please read the end part of my post where I admit this is the absolute most obvious modification. I just don't see it getting it done, though perhaps NOH would rather Pryz than Thabeet+assets.

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Agenda42 wrote:I hate this for Portland. I'd rather have Bayless than Conley straight up.

I really don't think Memphis's package has the value to land Collison, much less do it without being the team to take Okafor's contract.


Conley has shown more point guard ability than Bayless has, as well as shooting well from 3 point range. One could look at the last few months of Bayless and decide he is shooting well from 3 point as well, but Conley has a stronger history of shooting. I also dont see Okafor as being that bad if PA is not most concerned with money.
Aldridge/Camby
Oden/Okafor
Looks strong to me. Who cares if the older guys get their minutes. It allows for up to 2 of them to get injured and still have the size to play the post-season.

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DeBlazerRiddem wrote:Portland
Trades: Bayless, Fernandez, Pryzbilla, Babbit, Pendergraph
Receives: Conley, Okafor
Math
Out: $2,292,600 + $1,246,680 + $7,405,300 + $1,645,440 + $762,195 = $13,352,215
In: $4,913,007 + $11,795,000 = $16,708,007

Does it work?

$13,352,215*1.25= $16,690,300
$16,690,300+$100,000= $16,790,300
$16,790,300 > $16,708,007


I hate, hate, hate this for Portland. Conley is not worth Bayless, Rudy, and Babbitt, while we are trading Przybilla's expiring contract and Pendergraphs cheap contract for the overpaid Okafor? Yuck.


I agree Conley is not worth Bayless, Rudy and Babbitt, but they are the expendable players at our deepest positions, and to consolidate players you have to give up talent. One could of course argue that Conley is not even the best player of those, but for the position we need he is the best fit (better back-up PG than Bayless, and Matthews will be a better back-up SG than Bayless). We do not need all Matthews, Bayless, Fernandez, Williams, Babbitt and Cunningham backing the 2/3.

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Malapropism wrote:Why does Portland do this???


I liked the on-paper look of:
Miller - Conley
Roy - Matthews
Batum - Cunningham
Aldridge - Camby
Oden - Okafor

Glad this is controversial though. As a Blazer fan, I felt this would be enough of a return to consolidate assets, though it is obviously no home-run, since it wasn't meant to be mind blowing.
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Post#9 » by ChrisTheFuturePaul » Wed Jul 21, 2010 3:41 am

I guess Hornets would be tempted by this deal. However the trade certainly isnt a step forward in the "win now" scenario we are in in order to retain CP3.

Also, people need to stop living in 2009 when it comes to Hornets trade motivations, we arent paying any lux tax since we got rid of MoPete, we have Peja ande Songaila ($20 combined) coming off the books this year, aside from the fact Okafor and West dont compliment eachother as well as Chandler/West did, theres not much reason to trade Okafor, especially for a project center and ball-hog like Bayless.

While Okafor's contract is considered a bad one by most, the reality is starting quality big men get paid big dollars, simple. Marc Gasol will get 8mil per year, Dalembert got 8mil + per year, heck, Dan Gadzuric got 5mil per year for.... i have no idea what actually...

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Post#10 » by DaVoiceMaster » Wed Jul 21, 2010 6:11 am

Okafor isn't starting on the Blazers though so your point is moot. This is just a bad trade for Portland as has been said over and over in this thread.
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Post#11 » by Agenda42 » Wed Jul 21, 2010 6:27 am

DeBlazerRiddem wrote:Conley has shown more point guard ability than Bayless has, as well as shooting well from 3 point range. One could look at the last few months of Bayless and decide he is shooting well from 3 point as well, but Conley has a stronger history of shooting.


Conley has a few points to recommend him over Bayless. Bayless has a few points to recommend him over Conley. Overall, they are similar in overall ability, but I give the edge to Bayless's year less experience and marginally higher PER, WS, and TS%. If Bayless's three point shooting over the second half of last season isn't a mirage, he dominates Conley in this comparison.

No way am I giving up a stack of pieces and taking on a dubious contract to make a sidegrade like this.
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Post#12 » by farzi » Wed Jul 21, 2010 7:54 am

I'd rather have Bayless than Conley, and I'm more than willing to take on Okafor's contract, but only if we're bringing back Paul and possibly Collison
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