Knicks chance at CP3?

[old rem]

February trade deadline deal

Knicks get: Chris Paul & Drew Gooden

Clippers get: Raymond Felton, Monta Ellis, Iman Shumpert, Al Harrington, Glen Davis, Mike Dunleavy & E. Udoh - with one 2013 1st from Orlando, along with a future 1st from NYK & MIL.

Bucks get: Turkoglu, Lamar Odom, & JJ Redick

Magic gets: Amar'e Stoudemire, Caron Butler, Ronnie Brewer & Larry Sanders

For the Knicks - They pull off a "miracle" & acquire CP3 to go with his best bud Melo.
For Clips - They'd get a decent package for CP3 to still compete now &/or have pieces to do tons of other trades.
For Bucks - Monta isn't staying, get a decent package while getting out of Gooden's contract in the process.
For Magic - dump 2 PFs for 1 with a bigger household name for the fans & same length of years. Swap SFs to change up the team some more. Get a nice young pieces in Brewer & Sanders.

The way I see it, the NBA is kind of like the WWE. Kind of staged/scripted when it comes to transactions at least. They already helped out the Lakers to make the Western Conference more interesting come playoff time. Lakers/Thunder WCF is almost a given, especially from a business standpoint. So now they shake up Eastern Conference with the Knicks & make them definite contenders for ECF with the Heat.

Uh.....what a mess.

Bucks give up Ellis and a first (when? -what protect) and mostly end up with costly junk,a chemistry bummer and a perimeter role type.

It assumes Paul WANTS to be a Knick.

Clips have to make room for 7 guys. Strangely trades for THREE point guard types. Gets some rather vague picks and some unwanted $ guys. They deal Odum who just arrived. The Magic get some talent but takes on big $ for some guys a bit old to build with.

[eliasrapp98]

Woo-hoo what about -

Knicks in - Paul, Butler, JJ
Knicks out - Melo, Shump, Camby, Felton

Pair Amare and CP3. Run Paul, JR Smith, Butler, Amare, Chandler.. All faith on Amare to be what he was..

Clippers in - Melo, Horford, Jameer, Camby, Felton
Clippers out - Bledsoe, Butler, Paul, Jordan, future first

Get possibly the best offensive big duo, definitely the best 3-5 in the league with a nice vet d off the bench. Horford/Griffin/Melo/Crawford/Jameer would be hard to defend (and couldn't defend..)

Hawks in - D. Jordan, Shumpert, Clippers first
Hawks out - Horford

I'd value Jordan and Shumpert higher than future potentialally high picks as other teams would offer, help for a quicker rebuild.. Jordan/Shump/Teague won't win many games this year but add a top 3 pick next season and they are close.. Still not enough..

Magic in - Bledsoe
Magic out - Jameer and JJ Reddick

Save a lot of future cash, tank better, and get their hopeful PG of the future.

That is probably the best the Knicks can do, which will not be enough as another team will come along and offer more. The Clippers do way too well here. They of course downgrade from Paul to Melo, but it's still not that big of a jump and get a super valuable young great PF. Way too much. Awful for the Hawks. They are trading a top 20 player for a bad contract, a worthless pick, and Shumpert. Really bad.

I didn't know Jordan was already a bad contract. Damn... But I agree it is not enough value at all. Three out of four say yes though.

What if Hawks come out completely?

Clippers in - Chandler, Melo, Jameer
Clippers out - Jordan, Butler, Paul

Knicks in - Jordan, Butler, Paul
Knicks out -Chandler, Melo, Shumpert

Magic in - Shumpert
Magic out - Jameer

Is the drop from Horford (future wise) to Chandler too much?

Or if the Knicks need to add Camby (if he is considered a major asset here) just looks like..

Clippers in - Chandler, Melo, Jameer
Clippers out - Jordan, Butler, Paul

Knicks in - Jordan, Butler, Paul, Turiaf
Knicks out -Chandler, Melo, Shumpert

Magic in - Shumpert, Leslie
Magic out - Jameer

That's a hell of a lot better. I think all teams say yes.

[TheNewEra]

Clippers would demand to get Shumpert in the deal and moving DJ would be pointless with the chemistry and bound he has with Griffin. Also would need a third team to take Buter and get us a pick.

[HartfordWhalers]

Clippers would demand to get Shumpert in the deal and moving DJ would be pointless with the chemistry and bound he has with Griffin. Also would need a third team to take Buter and get us a pick.

I think cutting out Shump for Jameer and dropping Orl from the last one is an easy fix.

Not a believer that Butler gets much of a pick, but for a big unrealistic trade:

Clippers in - Chandler, Melo, Shumpert
Clippers out - Jordan, Butler, Paul

Knicks in - Jordan, Butler, Paul
Knicks out -Chandler, Melo, Shumpert

That isn't that bad. If Paul said he was leaving otherwise, I actually like that for LAC (big if, don't see him going). I would take Chandler over Jordan, and not sure you find a better win now package for Paul then this one. PG would definitely be a hole, but Bledsoe has his fans I suppose...
And for NYK, a lineup with Paul-Amare-Jordan could work very well together on offense, and when swapping in Butler isn't bad defensively. You have to view the offense as flawed and not worry about Paul's knees to do it, but I think at least you consider it.

For a thread that I expected to be a full on train wreck, I'm actually intrigued.

[jayjaysee]

Pretending this is real and Melo is the asset the Clippers hope to get for Paul (I'd think they would go young and go for Westbrook)

Shumpert doesn't make sense. Shumpert on majority teams would have equal or greater value as Nelson (depending on team need and the goals of the team are they rebuilding squad, playoffs or contenders..)

But in the realm where the Clippers get Melo/Chandler for Paul/Jordan... Those are win now pieces.. Jameer has more value as a win now piece I would think.

I don't see why the Clippers would want Melo and pick(s)? If the Clippers want Melo they want to win now, a pick that Butler (mid to late first rounder I'd assume) can net would hardly help that goal... After my response the Clippers run..

Chandler - Camby (I'd have NY add him; works moneywise)
Griffin - Lamar
Melo - Hill/Barnes
Crawford/Billups/Hill
Jameer - Bledsoe

No reason that team isn't still competing, but forcing Billups (not sure when he returns)/Bledsoe to run PG really downgrades the team..

Knicks run Jordan/Amare/Butler/JR Smith/Paul and if Amare's knees hold up they can easily get to second round..

Magic.. Obvious.. Great young piece for a decent vet and save 5 million a season..

But either way - I don't see Chris Paul wanting to leave, and if he was I would think they would shoot for Westbrook not Melo, I just wanted to try to put a alightly more realistic twist to the OP..

[TheNewEra]

Yea if we could we would try West brook but if forced with NVM we would want Melo/Shumpert/Chandler (if need be but rather keep Griffins BFF plus those two are comedy gold lol)

Shumpert is a young guard who takes pride in defense and showed flashes of being a solid offensive player you have to love that about him its like getting Tony Allen with upside. Shumpert showed he could hang on a playoff team and was far from a weak link or source of the problem for the Knicks.

You can ask any fan and they would take Shump over Nelson including contenders LAC would have a better fit for it. Getting Butler for a pick may be difficult but feel like NUM will have to pony up if they want Paul extended use a third team if needed the team has a bunch of high contracts cheap talent always helps on a contender.

Best case LAC can get Billups to come back and run point and look to the draft to fill remaining holes to go with our vets.

Billups/Bledsoe
Shumpert/Crawford
Anthony /Hill
Griffin/Odom
Chandler

We could use the pick with ours and maybe look to grab a team selling a good PG if no Billups return or get some bigs late in the draft.

[jayjaysee]

I can agree most teams would rather have Shumpert than Nelson (already agreed to that).. If the trade didn't change, I would think it would be closer than most scenarios as I said. Putting your faith at starting point guard to old man Billups (love him though) or shoot first Bledsoe.. Wouldn't be ideal, but I do see Shumpert having too much value and potential to pass up..

As for Jordan vs. Chandler.. I can't agree.. Blake is locked in for 6 years. Tell him he has a new best friend in Melo and a center that will make him look like a near elite defensive player (people argued Amare's defense improved this year so to take 0 to 60 in Amare, he could take 30 to 90..)

As for point guard, again pretending a deal like this would ever happen which I don't think it would.. Calderon would be a good option?

Knicks in - Chandler, Paul
Raptors in - Butler
Clippers in - Calderon, Shumpert, Chandler, Melo

Even though he is considered just an expiring and a joke here..he is a real starting point guard and would fit nicely for a year. Try to bring him back next season if Bledsoe doesn't next level. Toronto might send a heavy protected 2015 first to Clippers? Not your ideal but I'd think it would make a better team.

[darthkiller]

well any deal with cp3 will have to involve melo going out.

btw knicks could hae kept melo if they had just resigned Lin. Lin+Shumpert+Chandler would get hte clippers to bite if paul asks out. Sterling likes making money off the asian market

[Woodsanity]

0. Also trade has little value. Not even remotely close to good enough.

[yenrallik11]

wait, so NY trades Amare, Felton, and a future first for Paul? LOL. no.

lol no??????

i would pack amare and ray's bags for them if i was the gm of the knicks. this deal would the biggest steal ive seen in a long time if they received paul for that package.

[RA Dickey]

idk how this made it to 3 pages, let alone 3 posts without being locked.. cmon op