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#16 Re: Sacramento Rebuild (CLE / ATL / LAL)
Thu Nov 15, 2012 8:42 am by gswhoops
There's literally no reason for the Kings to trade DMC unless they're getting a guy like LeBron or Durant in return. He's big, incredibly skilled and has shown flashes of absolute dominance. In a league this devoid of big men he has a good shot of being the second or third best center in the league.
All that and he's only 22. Even if you rebuild, build around him.
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#17 Re: Sacramento Rebuild (CLE / ATL / LAL)
Thu Nov 15, 2012 1:06 pm by becorz
lukekarts wrote:So a guy who comes into the league as the 5th pick because of concerns about his character, who seemingly still has issues with suspensions, is now worth more than a top 5 pick, and returning of an owed pick, and the dumping of a salary. Why exactly? The principal asset is not capspace, it's a top 5 pick (Cleveland were 2-6 at time of typing and project to be bottom 5).
If that's what Cousins is worth on the open market, then there is no incentive to trade him. We can keep a known quanity (Demarcus' 20 and 10) or trust the brain trust that drafted Quincy Douby to make a good pick. In a trade, I believe anyway, we need incentive to dump Demarcus. Your trade might be fair, but it isn't doesn't have enough incentive to dump him. Give us a reason to get rid of him. You just don't give us that reason.
Demarcus is not the reason the Kings are losing, they are losing because the team is poorly constructed around a bunch of me first players who can't shoot.
As far as trade value, Andrew Bynum, who is also a crazy person, just got traded for Dwight Howard. Rasheed Wallace when he was older and had worse stats was traded for Shareef Abdur Rahim and Theo Ratliff. Both of those trades offer up more value than you do here.
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#18 Re: Sacramento Rebuild (CLE / ATL / LAL)
Thu Nov 15, 2012 10:31 pm by longfellow44
longfellow44 wrote:Terrible for the kings. All of it terrible.
IF the kings were looking to trade Cousins we could get a hell of a lot more.
I don't have a problem with the kings rebuilding but when the principle asset that the kings receive is caps space you know you have already failed. Last year the kings had the lowest salary in the entire league by a wide margin, we didn't do anything productive with that capspace. What makes you think that the kings could do anything with it in the future.
So a guy who comes into the league as the 5th pick because of concerns about his character, who seemingly still has issues with suspensions, is now worth more than a top 5 pick, and returning of an owed pick, and the dumping of a salary. Why exactly? The principal asset is not capspace, it's a top 5 pick (Cleveland were 2-6 at time of typing and project to be bottom 5).
With regards to the capspace, it's not a case of 'doing something' with the capspace, it's simply about saving the franchise money and giving them future flexibility to facilitate trades.
Further point on the value - who exactly is going to be able to offer more value? Ruling out playoff teams on the up... there's Philly (they have Bynum anyway), Toronto (they have Jonas), Indiana (they have Hibbert and the prior era means no way they trade for Cousins), Detroit (they have Drummond/Monroe anyway), Charlotte (Sure they'd be interested, but what asset?), Orlando (sure they'd be interested, maybe their pick?), Washington (sure they'd be interested), Portland (can't see them moving LMA for him), GSW (just got Bogut), Phoenix (sure but what do they have to offer?), Dallas (sure but what do they have to offer?), Houston (sure but what do they have to offer?) and New Orleans (what do they offer?).
Honestly, there's maybe 2-3 teams that could offer a comparable package to Cleveland but I can't see anything better being looked at.
Scoot McGroot wrote:Ultimately, why would Sacramento move Cousins if they are "rebuilding"? Seriously though, can it be called "rebuilding" if they're not even "built" yet? Keep Cousins, and move most anything else around them. Move Evans, as it looks like they may not resign him. Explore what you could get for Thompson and Thornton, but you don't have to move them. Same for Hayes and Outlaw. Be patient if you want to build that team right. You can't microwave success if you're the Kings.
They move Cousins because clearly he doesn't have the right character for a team stuck at rock bottom. We've seen he already has had some issues with staff in Sacramento (the exact truth to which I guess we'll never find out), and by trading him for another top 5 pick, they can potentially replace him with a guy that is going to be more patient through the rebuilding process.
Also lets be clear on a few things.
If cousins is added to the Cavs roster they won't be a lotto team. That pick will be worth way less. Cousins with a halfway decent team around him will be worth his weight in gold.
Secondly you act like your doing the kings a favor by giving us our pick back. The pick that the cavs will actually get to collect on is likely to be a 2nd rounder. The protection that the kings put on that pick was such that if we don't start improving soon you guys won't be getting a first rounder from us.
And yes Cousins is worth more than a top 5 pick in the draft right now. Attitude and all he is worth a top 2 pick for sure and probably the number one pick in most drafts. Talent and size like his doesn't grow on trees.
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#19 Re: Sacramento Rebuild (CLE / ATL / LAL)
Thu Nov 15, 2012 11:25 pm by Dr Aki
mcfly1204 wrote: Aki wrote:
lukekarts wrote:3. Thompson to LAL (optional)
Sacramento trades: Jason Thompson
LA Lakers trade: Chris Duhon, Devin Ebanks
--> For Sacramento, they cut some more future salary, from a good rotation guy, but someone whom is ultimately replacable down the line.
--> For LA - they add a 10/7 guy who can play both 'big' positions, at the cost of two end of bench players who rarely feature.
lakers say no. GOD NO, WTF there's no way the lakers take on all that salary without major incentive (i'm talking 1st rounders)
Thompson is on a reasonable deal and he is still only 26 years old. If anything, Sacramento is the party balking at that deal.
lol @reasonable deal
the lakers aren't made of dollar bills
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#20 Re: Sacramento Rebuild (CLE / ATL / LAL)
Sat Nov 17, 2012 1:50 pm by ntsap
I agree from an outsiders' view as an outsider do you to build a team around va crazy ass? But I also get the point of a kings fan cousins is to good and that team has to be the worst constructive team ever. Pgs full of chuckers and trob and cousins have the same skill.set and the bench...don't get me started. Basically there want be any improvement of the roster fit wise until the maloofs get what they want a new city for theirffranchise
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#21 Re: Sacramento Rebuild (CLE / ATL / LAL)
Sun Nov 18, 2012 12:51 pm by ntsap
My ideas I posted in a sac thread
Thornton to Phoenix
For Dudley & Marshall
Brooks back to Houston
For cook &2nd
TRob to Charlotte
JJ to Orlando
Why for trade #1
Phoenix needs a 3 point shooter and Marshall is their 3rd string
Sacramento needs a pure pg and a decent Sf
Why for trade #2
Houston needs a backup pg
Sacramento needs to get rid of all the ball dominate players they can also get a 3 point shooter and 2nd to sell for cash
Why for trade #3
Charlotte needs a scoring big Sacramento needs a shotblocking I think it would be a good swap but not sure if either team will give up on either even though they would be perfect fits. As a bobcat fan not sure if we would want to give up Taylor too.
Just to balance each team's roster
Sac line up
Pg Kendall Marshall/Isaiah Thomas
Sg Tyreke Evans/Jimmer Freddett/John salmons/Daequan cook
Sf Jared Dudley/Jeff Taylor/ outlaw/Honeycutt
Pf demarcus cousins/ Jason Thompson/josh mcroberts
C Bismack biyombo/ chuck Hayes
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