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Re: LAL Gets J.Smith... CHA/BKN/LAL/ATL 

Post#16 » by theatlfan » Sun Nov 18, 2012 5:22 am

Very easy pass for ATL. Let's assume that CHAR would deal PORT's protected 1st for L Williams and dumping T Thomas and that we want it... Then why would we add Smoove and 2 other teams to get it? Is it really that one would think that Humphries and his contract add that much value? Once we see that the most valuable piece we acquire in the deal can easily be obtained without the other teams involved, it's Smoove for a late-ish 1st and dumping Thomas. The 1st does nothing and we've got 2 1st next year to dump Thomas. We can do much, much better...
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Re: LAL Gets J.Smith... CHA/BKN/LAL/ATL 

Post#17 » by ATL Boy » Sun Nov 18, 2012 5:31 am

Trader_Joe wrote:Why did not count $15m or so for Smith? Is he not part of your plans? Or did you not what us to realize...

Teague
L.Williams
#1
Smith
Horford
+
$15m in free agency

Is not going to be a contending team?
And no, Paul or Howard are not leaving LA, and if they do its mostly likely for Dallas.

I didn't count the 15 mil for Josh because of previous comment in which you assumed that he would leave if we didn't trade him to LA, but why would they want to go the Mavs instead of Atlanta? What would they have in Dallas? 1 more year of Nowitzki? Wouldn't they rather take just a little less to play in Atlanta with Josh Smith and Al Horford forming a big 4?
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Re: LAL Gets J.Smith... CHA/BKN/LAL/ATL 

Post#18 » by Trader_Joe » Sun Nov 18, 2012 5:34 am

ATL Boy wrote:
Trader_Joe wrote:Why did not count $15m or so for Smith? Is he not part of your plans? Or did you not what us to realize...

Teague
L.Williams
#1
Smith
Horford
+
$15m in free agency

Is not going to be a contending team?
And no, Paul or Howard are not leaving LA, and if they do its mostly likely for Dallas.

I didn't count the 15 mil for Josh because of previous comment in which you assumed that he would leave if we didn't trade him to LA, but why would they want to go the Mavs instead of Atlanta? What would they have in Dallas? 1 more year of Nowitzki? Wouldn't they rather take just a little less to play in Atlanta with Josh Smith and Al Horford forming a big 4?

Neither is leaving LA, so I guess its pointless arguing Atlanta and Dallas.
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Re: LAL Gets J.Smith... CHA/BKN/LAL/ATL 

Post#19 » by Trader_Joe » Sun Nov 18, 2012 5:39 am

theatlfan wrote:Very easy pass for ATL. Let's assume that CHAR would deal PORT's protected 1st for L Williams and dumping T Thomas and that we want it... Then why would we add Smoove and 2 other teams to get it? Is it really that one would think that Humphries and his contract add that much value? Once we see that the most valuable piece we acquire in the deal can easily be obtained without the other teams involved, it's Smoove for a late-ish 1st and dumping Thomas. The 1st does nothing and we've got 2 1st next year to dump Thomas. We can do much, much better...

What better offers are there? I don't think I've seen many on here.

Again, I think this was a leak by LA for a reason. They want Smith and LA tends to get what they want at a reduced price. If Smith wants to play along, they scare off other suitors who are already weary of his free agency freedom.

Btw, why would Atlanta take on Tythomas with all the work they've done to clear cap space?
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Post#20 » by Jajwanda » Sun Nov 18, 2012 5:42 am

The reason is Paul Millsap. There was a rumor many months ago right after the year ended about Millsap in L.A.
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Re: LAL Gets J.Smith... CHA/BKN/LAL/ATL 

Post#21 » by ATL Boy » Sun Nov 18, 2012 5:44 am

Trader_Joe wrote:
ATL Boy wrote:
Trader_Joe wrote:Why did not count $15m or so for Smith? Is he not part of your plans? Or did you not what us to realize...

Teague
L.Williams
#1
Smith
Horford
+
$15m in free agency

Is not going to be a contending team?
And no, Paul or Howard are not leaving LA, and if they do its mostly likely for Dallas.

I didn't count the 15 mil for Josh because of previous comment in which you assumed that he would leave if we didn't trade him to LA, but why would they want to go the Mavs instead of Atlanta? What would they have in Dallas? 1 more year of Nowitzki? Wouldn't they rather take just a little less to play in Atlanta with Josh Smith and Al Horford forming a big 4?

Neither is leaving LA, so I guess its pointless arguing Atlanta and Dallas.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/josh-smith-on ... for-months
It’s likewise true, sources said, that the Lakers have had internal discussions for months about pursuing (Josh) Smith, not only for his athletic gifts but also knowing that J-Smoove is one of free agent-to-be Dwight Howard’s closest friends in the game.

The quote shows that LA is unsure of whether or not Dwight will resign and that they're trying to get Smith to ensure Dwight's long term signature
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Re: LAL Gets J.Smith... CHA/BKN/LAL/ATL 

Post#22 » by theatlfan » Sun Nov 18, 2012 5:52 am

Trader_Joe wrote:What better offers are there? I don't think I've seen many on here.

Again, I think this was a leak by LA for a reason. They want Smith and LA tends to get what they want at a reduced price. If Smith wants to play along, they scare off other suitors who are already weary of his free agency freedom.

Btw, why would Atlanta take on Tythomas with all the work they've done to clear cap space?
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Re: LAL Gets J.Smith... CHA/BKN/LAL/ATL 

Post#23 » by Jajwanda » Sun Nov 18, 2012 5:52 am

That's a reach if there ever was one. So because you want to help make something even more likely, it shows weakness?
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Re: LAL Gets J.Smith... CHA/BKN/LAL/ATL 

Post#24 » by BizGilwalker » Sun Nov 18, 2012 6:02 am

Horrible for ATL. Also send Lou Williams elsewhere or just keep him. Him, Kemba, and Gordon in the backcourt just isn't going to work.
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Re: LAL Gets J.Smith... CHA/BKN/LAL/ATL 

Post#25 » by Trader_Joe » Sun Nov 18, 2012 6:32 am

Trader_Joe wrote:Done after December 15th

EDITED

-L.Williams removed
-M. Brooks to Atlanta
-Childress and #1 back to BK




Atlanta trades:
J.Smith
$13.2m outgoing
for
Diop, M. Brooks POR #1, Rights to Karaman, LAL #2, $5mTPE
$8.3m incoming

Teague / Harris
Brooks / L.Williams / Jenkins
Korver / Stevenson / Morrow
Horford / I.Johnson / Tolliver / Scott
Pachullia / Petro / Diop

Atlanta goes into full on tank mode. They shed all their salary past this season, except for Al Horford and the roughly $1.6m they owe to rookies Jenkins and Scott. They gain nearly $10m in instant savings/TPE as well as 2 1st rounders. A top 12 protected PDX #1, an unprotected BK #1 and the rights to a Euro PF in Karaman. They also avoid losing Smith for nothing next summer to a team like Dallas or someone else willing to throw him a big contract

BK trades:
Humphries, Wallace, M.Brooks Rights to Karaman
$22.6m outgoing
for
Gasol, MWP
$26.3m incoming

D.Williams / Watson / Taylor
J.Johnson / Bogans / Stackhouse
MWP / Childress / Shengelia
Gasol / Evans / Teletovic
Lopez / Blatche

Brooklyn continues to add salary and talent. They hope that Gasol can be an appropriate compliment with Lopez and that MWP keeps his head on straight in NYC.


LAL trades:
Gasol, MWP, Jamison, MEM #2, '16 #2
$27.2m outgoing
for
Smith, G.Wallace, Ty.Thomas
$31m incoming

Nash / Blake / Duhon
Bryant / Meeks / Morris
G.Wallace / Ebanks / D.Odom
J.Smith / Clark / Ty Thomas
Howard / Hill / Sacre

The rich continue to get richer with a larger and larger payroll. If they want Smith, it means they would want to resign him and Dwight after this season so the contracts of Wallace and TyThomas seem harmless as it does not look like they would have been players in free agency anyway, especially if the is to win now.


CHA trades:
Ty Thomas, Diop, POR #1
$15.4m outgoing
for
Humphries, Jamison, MEM #2
$12.9m incoming

Walker / Sessions / Higgins
Gordon / Henderson
MKG / R.Williams / Taylor
Humphries / Jamison / Warrick
Mullens / Biyombo / Haywood

Charlotte was looking at signing Humphries this summer, so it seems they like him. He would be a nice rebounding compliment to Mullens and expire after next season like Gordon does as they combine for about $25m in expriers. Most importantly shed the contract of Tyrus Thomas who continues to be a massive disappointment. Lou Williams adds some more experience and scoring to the back court. They also add local product Jamison for some mentoring.


The Lakers are sucking the value out.
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Post#26 » by Sik Infant » Sun Nov 18, 2012 6:43 am

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Re: LAL Gets J.Smith... CHA/BKN/LAL/ATL 

Post#27 » by theatlfan » Sun Nov 18, 2012 6:52 am

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Jesus, CHA gets raped. I'm not even a fan of theirs, but... D@mn. A late lotto can only rearrange <$10M of salary? For a team that doesn't really need it rearranged?

Late lotto and Brooks for Smoove? I'd prefer to chance FA with Smoove.
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Post#28 » by ATL Boy » Sun Nov 18, 2012 3:17 pm

theatlfan wrote:Late lotto and Brooks for Smoove? I'd prefer to chance FA with Smoove.

If come the trade deadline Smoove wants out (which I don't think he will) or if he starts playing games (like Dwight) then I'd take a lotto and Brooks for Josh. If we traded Josh then we'd also have a lotto pick, maybe we get lucky with one of the picks and end up top 3, even if we don't end up with a top 3 pick then we'd have 2 lotto picks with which to rebuild, we'd also have the Houston pick. we could potentially package the Portland pick or our pick for a potential chance at someone like Nerlens Noel
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Re: LAL Gets J.Smith... CHA/BKN/LAL/ATL 

Post#29 » by Sasaki » Sun Nov 18, 2012 3:45 pm

One thing that I think should be thought about is how serious LAL really is about the 2014 FA scenario which a couple sportswriters have speculated about, because these trades pretty much destroy that. I think it's pie in the sky thinking not much better than "Lebron will take vet's min to play in New York and make up the money in endorsements", but it's something that should be considered.
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Post#30 » by Prokys Nets » Sun Nov 18, 2012 4:22 pm

Very interesting idea, Trader Joe. I was going to post a trade similar with the Nets getting Gasol. I feel like Atlanta would need one young piece to do it, but other than that, pretty good all around deal.
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Post#31 » by Chuck Texas » Sun Nov 18, 2012 4:35 pm

doesnt TEague have a really small cap hold? So couldnt Atl make their other moves official first and sign Teague last after having already worked out a contract but simply not signing it until the other moves are done? Unless I am missing something here that should end any discussion that Atl isnt going to have room to sign Smith and another big FA.
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Post#32 » by Prokys Nets » Sun Nov 18, 2012 4:43 pm

Trader_Joe wrote:
Trader_Joe wrote:Done after December 15th

EDITED

-L.Williams removed
-M. Brooks to Atlanta
-Childress and #1 back to BK




Atlanta trades:
J.Smith
$13.2m outgoing
for
Diop, M. Brooks POR #1, Rights to Karaman, LAL #2, $5mTPE
$8.3m incoming

Teague / Harris
Brooks / L.Williams / Jenkins
Korver / Stevenson / Morrow
Horford / I.Johnson / Tolliver / Scott
Pachullia / Petro / Diop

Atlanta goes into full on tank mode. They shed all their salary past this season, except for Al Horford and the roughly $1.6m they owe to rookies Jenkins and Scott. They gain nearly $10m in instant savings/TPE as well as 2 1st rounders. A top 12 protected PDX #1, an unprotected BK #1 and the rights to a Euro PF in Karaman. They also avoid losing Smith for nothing next summer to a team like Dallas or someone else willing to throw him a big contract

BK trades:
Humphries, Wallace, M.Brooks Rights to Karaman
$22.6m outgoing
for
Gasol, MWP
$26.3m incoming

D.Williams / Watson / Taylor
J.Johnson / Bogans / Stackhouse
MWP / Childress / Shengelia
Gasol / Evans / Teletovic
Lopez / Blatche

Brooklyn continues to add salary and talent. They hope that Gasol can be an appropriate compliment with Lopez and that MWP keeps his head on straight in NYC.


LAL trades:
Gasol, MWP, Jamison, MEM #2, '16 #2
$27.2m outgoing
for
Smith, G.Wallace, Ty.Thomas
$31m incoming

Nash / Blake / Duhon
Bryant / Meeks / Morris
G.Wallace / Ebanks / D.Odom
J.Smith / Clark / Ty Thomas
Howard / Hill / Sacre

The rich continue to get richer with a larger and larger payroll. If they want Smith, it means they would want to resign him and Dwight after this season so the contracts of Wallace and TyThomas seem harmless as it does not look like they would have been players in free agency anyway, especially if the is to win now.


CHA trades:
Ty Thomas, Diop, POR #1
$15.4m outgoing
for
Humphries, Jamison, MEM #2
$12.9m incoming

Walker / Sessions / Higgins
Gordon / Henderson
MKG / R.Williams / Taylor
Humphries / Jamison / Warrick
Mullens / Biyombo / Haywood

Charlotte was looking at signing Humphries this summer, so it seems they like him. He would be a nice rebounding compliment to Mullens and expire after next season like Gordon does as they combine for about $25m in expriers. Most importantly shed the contract of Tyrus Thomas who continues to be a massive disappointment. Lou Williams adds some more experience and scoring to the back court. They also add local product Jamison for some mentoring.


The Lakers are sucking the value out.
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Again nice idea, but if the Nets are giving up all of that WE better be getting josh smith, and not helping LA to steal him.
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Post#33 » by Trader_Joe » Sun Nov 18, 2012 4:56 pm

Yeah, I'm beginning to think it can't work simply because LA doesn't have enough value. And Atlanta only feels compelled to move Smith if he has made it clear he wants out, with no interest to resign. Brooklyn and Charlotte are certainly not adding more value. The key is getting as much value as possible for Gasol. I saw an Indy fan willing to do granger and west for Gasol. Maybe they should be in there instead of BK.
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Re: LAL Gets J.Smith... CHA/BKN/LAL/ATL 

Post#34 » by MagicFan32 » Sun Nov 18, 2012 5:56 pm

Josh Smith can't sign in LA as a free agent, he has no leverage, really there's nowhere for him to go this summer
then again the league is rigged so i'm sure the lakers can get him for crap
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Re: LAL Gets J.Smith... CHA/BKN/LAL/ATL 

Post#35 » by Trader_Joe » Sun Nov 18, 2012 6:09 pm

MagicFan32 wrote:Josh Smith can't sign in LA as a free agent, he has no leverage, really there's nowhere for him to go this summer
then again the league is rigged so i'm sure the lakers can get him for crap

He has leverage in that he's an unrestricted free agent and Atlanta would have less options this summer wince they can't trade him to a tax paying team. And he could sign with Dallas, NO, Washington, Charlotte, Cleveland, Milwaukee, Detroit, Utah and potentially other teams depending on what they do before free agency.

Meanwhile Dwight had the same amount of leverage to go to the Lakers and he still got there.
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