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Trader_Joe wrote:Trader_Joe wrote:Done after December 15th
EDITED
-L.Williams removed
-M. Brooks to Atlanta
-Childress and #1 back to BK
Atlanta trades:
J.Smith
$13.2m outgoing
for
Diop, M. Brooks POR #1, Rights to Karaman, LAL #2, $5mTPE
$8.3m incoming
Teague / Harris
Brooks / L.Williams / Jenkins
Korver / Stevenson / Morrow
Horford / I.Johnson / Tolliver / Scott
Pachullia / Petro / Diop
Atlanta goes into full on tank mode. They shed all their salary past this season, except for Al Horford and the roughly $1.6m they owe to rookies Jenkins and Scott. They gain nearly $10m in instant savings/TPE as well as 2 1st rounders. A top 12 protected PDX #1, an unprotected BK #1 and the rights to a Euro PF in Karaman. They also avoid losing Smith for nothing next summer to a team like Dallas or someone else willing to throw him a big contract
BK trades:
Humphries, Wallace, M.Brooks Rights to Karaman
$22.6m outgoing
for
Gasol, MWP
$26.3m incoming
D.Williams / Watson / Taylor
J.Johnson / Bogans / Stackhouse
MWP / Childress / Shengelia
Gasol / Evans / Teletovic
Lopez / Blatche
Brooklyn continues to add salary and talent. They hope that Gasol can be an appropriate compliment with Lopez and that MWP keeps his head on straight in NYC.
LAL trades:
Gasol, MWP, Jamison, MEM #2, '16 #2
$27.2m outgoing
for
Smith, G.Wallace, Ty.Thomas
$31m incoming
Nash / Blake / Duhon
Bryant / Meeks / Morris
G.Wallace / Ebanks / D.Odom
J.Smith / Clark / Ty Thomas
Howard / Hill / Sacre
The rich continue to get richer with a larger and larger payroll. If they want Smith, it means they would want to resign him and Dwight after this season so the contracts of Wallace and TyThomas seem harmless as it does not look like they would have been players in free agency anyway, especially if the is to win now.
CHA trades:
Ty Thomas, Diop, POR #1
$15.4m outgoing
for
Humphries, Jamison, MEM #2
$12.9m incoming
Walker / Sessions / Higgins
Gordon / Henderson
MKG / R.Williams / Taylor
Humphries / Jamison / Warrick
Mullens / Biyombo / Haywood
Charlotte was looking at signing Humphries this summer, so it seems they like him. He would be a nice rebounding compliment to Mullens and expire after next season like Gordon does as they combine for about $25m in expriers. Most importantly shed the contract of Tyrus Thomas who continues to be a massive disappointment. Lou Williams adds some more experience and scoring to the back court. They also add local product Jamison for some mentoring.
The Lakers are sucking the value out.
Best I could do was the edited version.
MagicFan32 wrote:Josh Smith can't sign in LA as a free agent, he has no leverage, really there's nowhere for him to go this summer
then again the league is rigged so i'm sure the lakers can get him for crap
If Smoove starts demanding out, then yes, his value drops. At this point though, we've really given him everything he's wanted and he seems really happy. The fact is that if I'm dealing a happy (or even if he's just not obviously disgruntled) Smoove, then I want an young talent with the chance to make a impact. I couldn't care less about a lot of rotation players and/or late lottos when discussing Smoove. Historically, late lottos have only a slightly larger chance of sticking on an NBA roster than a 2nd round pick; Brooks has 6th MotY upside, but even that is still a rotation player. Those only have real worth if you're willing to undergo a true rebuilding effort and I'm not sure we're willing to do that.ATL Boy wrote:theatlfan wrote:Late lotto and Brooks for Smoove? I'd prefer to chance FA with Smoove.
If come the trade deadline Smoove wants out (which I don't think he will) or if he starts playing games (like Dwight) then I'd take a lotto and Brooks for Josh. If we traded Josh then we'd also have a lotto pick, maybe we get lucky with one of the picks and end up top 3, even if we don't end up with a top 3 pick then we'd have 2 lotto picks with which to rebuild, we'd also have the Houston pick. we could potentially package the Portland pick or our pick for a potential chance at someone like Nerlens Noel
One thing that has to be understood here: an SNT scenario could be our best scenario regardless of whether Smoove wants to stay or not. At that point, there's no question that the signing team would both want him, have him under contract, and at a salary they're comfortable with. Sure, there could be some teams that could be far enough under the cap that they could sign him without pulling a SNT, but that list is much smaller than you make it out to be if you're listing above is any indication. Not all of those teams currently have the cap room to offer a max or near max deal and I couldn't see some of those teams being of interest to Smoove.Trader_Joe wrote:MagicFan32 wrote:Josh Smith can't sign in LA as a free agent, he has no leverage, really there's nowhere for him to go this summer
then again the league is rigged so i'm sure the lakers can get him for crap
He has leverage in that he's an unrestricted free agent and Atlanta would have less options this summer wince they can't trade him to a tax paying team. And he could sign with Dallas, NO, Washington, Charlotte, Cleveland, Milwaukee, Detroit, Utah and potentially other teams depending on what they do before free agency.
Meanwhile Dwight had the same amount of leverage to go to the Lakers and he still got there.
Steve Kyler at Hoopsworld wrote: Steve Kyler @stevekylerNBA
RT @ if ATL wanted to trade Smith then what players would they want in return? ---> They are not exploring this at all.
10h Steve Kyler Steve Kyler @stevekylerNBA
RT @JaySway52: ---> The Hawks stance could change at the trade deadline, but all parties say a new deal this summer is all but assured.
10h Steve Kyler Steve Kyler @stevekylerNBA
RT @JaySway52: ---> What the Lakers want is immaterial if the other team has no interest in a deal. Hawks are building around Josh Smith
10h Steve Kyler Steve Kyler @stevekylerNBA
RT @JaySway52: Are the Lakers considering a Josh Smith for Pau Gasol type trade? ---> Hawks have zero interest in a Josh Smith trade
parson wrote:For those sure Smith is leaving, here's a little something from the Twitter account of Steve Kyler of Hoopsworld:Steve Kyler at Hoopsworld wrote: Steve Kyler @stevekylerNBA
RT @ if ATL wanted to trade Smith then what players would they want in return? ---> They are not exploring this at all.
10h Steve Kyler Steve Kyler @stevekylerNBA
RT @JaySway52: ---> The Hawks stance could change at the trade deadline, but all parties say a new deal this summer is all but assured.
10h Steve Kyler Steve Kyler @stevekylerNBA
RT @JaySway52: ---> What the Lakers want is immaterial if the other team has no interest in a deal. Hawks are building around Josh Smith
10h Steve Kyler Steve Kyler @stevekylerNBA
RT @JaySway52: Are the Lakers considering a Josh Smith for Pau Gasol type trade? ---> Hawks have zero interest in a Josh Smith trade
Link = https://twitter.com/stevekylerNBA Scan down for it.
theatlfan wrote:If Smoove starts demanding out, then yes, his value drops. At this point though, we've really given him everything he's wanted and he seems really happy. The fact is that if I'm dealing a happy (or even if he's just not obviously disgruntled) Smoove, then I want an young talent with the chance to make a impact. I couldn't care less about a lot of rotation players and/or late lottos when discussing Smoove. Historically, late lottos have only a slightly larger chance of sticking on an NBA roster than a 2nd round pick; Brooks has 6th MotY upside, but even that is still a rotation player. Those only have real worth if you're willing to undergo a true rebuilding effort and I'm not sure we're willing to do that.ATL Boy wrote:theatlfan wrote:Late lotto and Brooks for Smoove? I'd prefer to chance FA with Smoove.
If come the trade deadline Smoove wants out (which I don't think he will) or if he starts playing games (like Dwight) then I'd take a lotto and Brooks for Josh. If we traded Josh then we'd also have a lotto pick, maybe we get lucky with one of the picks and end up top 3, even if we don't end up with a top 3 pick then we'd have 2 lotto picks with which to rebuild, we'd also have the Houston pick. we could potentially package the Portland pick or our pick for a potential chance at someone like Nerlens Noel
Honestly, I'd rather get nothing for Smoove and ensure the high pick to get the impact talent eventually over pulling off a deal where we get enough to challenge for an 8th seed.One thing that has to be understood here: an SNT scenario could be our best scenario regardless of whether Smoove wants to stay or not. At that point, there's no question that the signing team would both want him, have him under contract, and at a salary they're comfortable with. Sure, there could be some teams that could be far enough under the cap that they could sign him without pulling a SNT, but that list is much smaller than you make it out to be if you're listing above is any indication. Not all of those teams currently have the cap room to offer a max or near max deal and I couldn't see some of those teams being of interest to Smoove.Trader_Joe wrote:MagicFan32 wrote:Josh Smith can't sign in LA as a free agent, he has no leverage, really there's nowhere for him to go this summer
then again the league is rigged so i'm sure the lakers can get him for crap
He has leverage in that he's an unrestricted free agent and Atlanta would have less options this summer wince they can't trade him to a tax paying team. And he could sign with Dallas, NO, Washington, Charlotte, Cleveland, Milwaukee, Detroit, Utah and potentially other teams depending on what they do before free agency.
Meanwhile Dwight had the same amount of leverage to go to the Lakers and he still got there.
As for the D12 comp, I don't see it. ORL's and ATL's situations are just too different - as is Smoove's and D12's since D12 is a definite max guy. I can see why the parallel would be drawn, but I can't see the actual fit.
Trader_Joe wrote:What is Kyler's connection to the Hawks?
Those are all his tweets.
Are there any Atlanta beat writers that have been passing along info?
Trader_Joe wrote:You're not getting any win now pieces..its Brooks, picks and savings. This deal ensures a very good pick.
Also you can sign an trade but your limited to non tax paying teams, and teams that can afford him wont give you anything. Sign and trades don't give that 5th year anymore either.
MagicFan32 wrote:Josh Smith can't sign in LA as a free agent, he has no leverage, really there's nowhere for him to go this summer
then again the league is rigged so i'm sure the lakers can get him for crap
