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Post#1 Cousins to OKC?
Sun Nov 18, 2012 3:24 pm by j_angel

OKC receive: Cousins, Garcia, Brooks.
OKC trade: Perkins, Lamb, PJIII, Tor 1st, Dal 1st.

SAC receive: Perkins, Lamb, PJIII, Tor 1st, Dal 1st.
SAC trade: Cousins, Garcia, Brooks.


Why for OKC?
They get a quality bigman who can score. He has 2 years left of his rookie deal. Yes he will get paid at the end of this but I think OKC would pay him, giving max to center with the potential to be top 3 at his position is better than paying a guy who was your 6th man (Harden).
Lamb & PJIII are not helping now, DMC would.
They also get rid of Perkins for a backup SF and a PG to backup Westbrook and provide some instant offense.

Westbrook - Maynor - Brooks.
Sefolosha - Martin
Durant - Garcia
Ibaka
Cousins - Collison - Thabeet

Much improved starting 5 with a decent bench (Maynor, Brooks, Martin, Garcia, Collison make a strong 10 man playoff rotation).

Why for SAC?
Plain and simple they are not a good team. There's only so far a guy like DMC can lead a team. He needs to be the 2nd guy in order to mature and grow.
Yes Lamb is not in a position of need but they can start him and chose to move Evans or let him expire and save money. They rebuild completely with picks and a plethora of young players.
They do not really need Brooks or Garcia so moving them does not make them a lot worse.

Thomas - Fredette
Lamb - Evans - Thornton
Johnson - Salmons
Thompson - Robinson - PJIII
Perkins - Hayes

thoughts? adjustments you would make?
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Post#2 Re: Cousins to OKC?
Sun Nov 18, 2012 3:43 pm by lakerhater

Sac would be better off dealing Evans, keeping Cousins and replacing Smart with a coach that can better utilize Cousins.
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Post#3 Re: Cousins to OKC?
Sun Nov 18, 2012 4:10 pm by theatlfan

j_angel wrote:Why for OKC?
They get a quality bigman who can score. He has 2 years left of his rookie deal. Yes he will get paid at the end of this but I think OKC would pay him, giving max to center with the potential to be top 3 at his position is better than paying a guy who was your 6th man (Harden).
Lamb & PJIII are not helping now, DMC would.
They also get rid of Perkins for a backup SF and a PG to backup Westbrook and provide some instant offense.

Seen this a few times and still trying to figure this out - why does OKC need a backup PG? Is Maynor not any good? I've always thought he was a decent player who's on of the better backup PGs in the league and seems to have recovered from his injury. Am I missing something that everyone else sees?

BTW, this shouldn't affect the trade at all. Brooks can be removed without salary ramifications - the deal is for Cousins, not Brooks.
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Post#4 Re: Cousins to OKC?
Sun Nov 18, 2012 4:18 pm by j_angel

Good question.

I included Brooks for a few reasons.
1) Maynor has just come back from a serious injury
2) They should play Westbrook at SG for a portion of the game, especially against slower SG's.
3) Maynor is expiring this year, can they afford to pay him what he will want? If not Brooks is a cheap alternative.
4) I dont think sac need him (their other two PGs are so similar to him), so they save a little bit which they may want to since they are taking on perkins.

But yes the main deal is
PJIII/Lamb/picks for DMC.
with a Perkins for Garcia swap to sweeten the deal for OKC (and save them a couple of mil a year) and give them a player in a position of need.

Brooks could be taken out if needed though.
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Post#5 Re: Cousins to OKC?
Sun Nov 18, 2012 4:57 pm by vege

You do not rebuilding giving up a talented young Center for minor pieces.
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Post#6 Re: Cousins to OKC?
Sun Nov 18, 2012 5:49 pm by j_angel

Personally would not call a guaranteed lotto pick (likely high), a late 1st and two very good prospects minor pieces. Its more than Orlando got for Dwight and similar to what they got for Harden (PJIII as opposed to Martin).
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Post#7 Re: Cousins to OKC?
Sun Nov 18, 2012 6:26 pm by I_Socrates

j_angel wrote:Personally would not call a guaranteed lotto pick (likely high), a late 1st and two very good prospects minor pieces. Its more than Orlando got for Dwight and similar to what they got for Harden (PJIII as opposed to Martin).


Dwight wanted out and Orlando had no leverage. Cousins is happy (or so we're told) and Kings have ALL the leverage. Orlando didn't have to take on Perkins, instead they got to dump Duhon. This is horrendous for the Kings any way you try to put it. For it to even be considerable, Ibaka needs to be subbed in Perkins' place.
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Post#8 Re: Cousins to OKC?
Sun Nov 18, 2012 6:50 pm by slick_watts

I don't want OKC to have to be the team to rehabilitate Cousins into a legitimate player. The guy has been able to do whatever he wants, shoot as often as he wants, and is not effective on the court.

http://bkref.com/tiny/w0gtr

Of three year high usage players, Cousins has the third worst TS% ever for a F or C behind Marcus Fizer and Antoine Walker.

There's a place out there for Cousins to learn how to play but it's not a team like OKC that wants to win now.
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Post#9 Re: Cousins to OKC?
Sun Nov 18, 2012 7:36 pm by longfellow44

OKC doesn't have the ability to obtain Cousins without sending out durant or westbrook plain and simple.
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Post#10 Re: Cousins to OKC?
Sun Nov 18, 2012 7:58 pm by Wasabi_Johnson

I wouldn't trade all that for Cousins. He's a very inefficient center. You can only be young and with potential for so long before its time to start showing something on the court.
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Post#11 Re: Cousins to OKC?
Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:16 pm by BizGilwalker

Cousins/Ibaka/Durant/Sefolosha/Westbrook + Collison/Martin/Maynor/Brooks would just be downright scary. Dream scenario for OKC.

Don't know what Sacramento is supposed to do with Tyreke, Thornton, Lamb, Thomas, and Jimmer, essentially all combo guards, not mention value is off for them.
On the "Keep Lance Stephenson in Charlotte" bandwagon
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Post#12 Re: Cousins to OKC?
Sun Nov 18, 2012 10:12 pm by LoyalKing

That makes zero sense for SAC

Yeah, SAC sucks and Cousins needs to mature. We all know that. But SAC won't trade him for minor pieces. SAC doesn't need another guard, SAC doesn't need another PF, the Dallas pick is heavy protected, Perkins sucks just like his contract and the only valuable piece here is the TOR pick.

It's an easy no from Sacramento.
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Post#13 Re: Cousins to OKC?
Mon Nov 19, 2012 12:08 am by SuperflyKnick

Wasabi_Johnson wrote:I wouldn't trade all that for Cousins. He's a very inefficient center. You can only be young and with potential for so long before its time to start showing something on the court.



reallly dude lolzzzz cousins is far and away the best player in this deal....In case u havent noticed that package wont even sniff getting cousins
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Post#14 Re: Cousins to OKC?
Mon Nov 19, 2012 12:37 am by mattg

this isn't even close to being enough to get cousins.
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Post#15 Re: Cousins to OKC?
Mon Nov 19, 2012 1:18 am by oyoyer

Wait... Is there really people talking about VALUE in a Derrick Coleman, er, DeMarcus Cousins trade thread? Really???DC2 is a straight up nutjob and SAC has no shot of getting full value for him. This would actually be a great trade for them if OKC went for it. However, OKC is trying to win chips and head cases tend to derail chip aspirations. So it's a no go for them.
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Post#16 Re: Cousins to OKC?
Mon Nov 19, 2012 1:45 am by Wasabi_Johnson

SuperflyKnick wrote:
Wasabi_Johnson wrote:I wouldn't trade all that for Cousins. He's a very inefficient center. You can only be young and with potential for so long before its time to start showing something on the court.



reallly dude lolzzzz cousins is far and away the best player in this deal....In case u havent noticed that package wont even sniff getting cousins

Never said or even implied that he wasn't the best player in the deal or that the package was even good enough for him. Point was OKC can't trade for someone with their best assets and hope they reach whatever potential they have left.
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Post#17 Re: Cousins to OKC?
Mon Nov 19, 2012 2:18 am by witnessraps

cant believe OKC fans are turning this down.
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Post#18 Re: Cousins to OKC?
Mon Nov 19, 2012 4:09 am by vege

oyoyer wrote:Wait... Is there really people talking about VALUE in a Derrick Coleman, er, DeMarcus Cousins trade thread? Really???DC2 is a straight up nutjob and SAC has no shot of getting full value for him. This would actually be a great trade for them if OKC went for it. However, OKC is trying to win chips and head cases tend to derail chip aspirations. So it's a no go for them.


I agree, Detroit trading for Rasheed Wallace was a complete disaster and totally destroyed their chances to win a championship. Oh wait... 8-)
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Post#19 Re: Cousins to OKC?
Mon Nov 19, 2012 4:15 am by slick_watts

witnessraps wrote:cant believe OKC fans are turning this down.


Cousins is damaged goods. He's a 28+ USG center who can't score efficiently. He's taking 5 jump shots a game from 16-23 feet and shooting less than 30% on them. He's a big man who shoots less than 60% at the rim. The kid is talented, and if the Thunder had Gregg Popovich, Larry Brown, or another big time coach with the cajones to reign him in I'd be all for it. Scott Brooks isn't going to be that guy.
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