KOTB: Det/Phi/Noh Swapping SF's

[HartfordWhalers]

If you believe all teams would accept this trade, vote yes. If you believe otherwise, vote no. Please explain your vote

Detroit:
In: Dorrell Wright (4.1m expiring), NOH 2013 2nd rounder
Out: Prince (6.8m, 7.2m, 7.7m)

Philadelphia:
In: Prince (6.8m, 7.2m, 7.7m)
Out: Dorrell Wright (4.1m), Royal Ivey (league min, 1 year 854k), 2013 NOH 2nd, Philly 2013 2nd (top 40 protected), 850k cash.

New Orleans:
In: Royal Ivey (850k), Philly 2013 2nd (top 40 protected), 850k cash.
Out: 2016 2nd round pick (Top 55 protected) aka the nothing.

(Done after Dec 15th for Ivey)

Reasons:

Detroit: Gets a good 2nd rounder, and a similar level player to fill in for this season. But clears the cap for next season, and allows Singler to either keep starting at sg with Wright at sf, or Det to put Stuckey back at sg without benching Singler (or Prince). And Wright could be resigned if he fits well, which would give Detroit a younger player in addition to the high 2nd.

Philly: Wright is falling out of Collins rotation some, and adding more vets feels like the sort of move he would want with Philly looking like a borderline 8th/9th seed minus Bynum. Even high 2nd rounders are unlikely to play much under him, and the cap hit doesn't matter unless Bynum walks at which point everything is fubar. So, doubles down on winning this season, and adding a second vet to go along with co-captain Jason Richardson.

NOH: In that nether zone of above the cap but (well) below the tax. Gets a free player and a 2nd rounder, and with the pg rotation Vasquez/Roberts, having Ivey cannot hurt. Basically included to get Philly to within salary matching range, but is compensated fairly for this and has an open roster spot. Could just cut Ivey and pocket the pick if they wanted.

[Rockazoids]

I think DET are going to have to give PHI a little something to take on that $21M deal.
They already have Tuner, Jason Richardson, Nick Young & Thaddeus Young that can play the SF spot.

[Trader_Joe]

Man, this sucks.
I want to say no, just so you don't get another point and tie me and have less attempts.

However.... I need to figure out a legit trade related reason.

If I were Detroit I do this. It gives them cap space, a 3 point shooter, another PG some picks and some cash, for a player that doesn't really fit with the younger core. But I think Dumars is loyal to Prince so he would have reservations.

If I were NOH I do this, no reason not to really.

Philly is my biggest concern. Given you are a Philly fan I give you the benefit of the doubt, but at the same time I don't think I would do it I were them. The wings seem crowded with Turner/J.Rich/N.Young/T.Young/Wilkins and now Prince and this may put you into tax territory next season assuming Bynum gets a max from you guys.. and if he isn't re-signed, he cuts into what could have been max FA cap space.

But since I'm a nice guy, I'll say KOTB: Yes

[Lin Your Face]

I'm confident the 76ers should say no. If Bynum was healthy and playing really well and the 76ers look like contenders then I'd strongly consider this deal, but Bynum may be out all season and Prince will neither elevate the team to a much higher level nor develop into a better player. Philly would want to wait and evaluate Bynum's health before giving up a lot of cap flexibility for an upgrade at backup SF.

[HornetJail]

76ers should reject this. They'll have cap space at season's end. Spend that money in FA rather than taking on Prince's contract.

[HartfordWhalers]

76ers should reject this. They'll have cap space at season's end. Spend that money in FA rather than taking on Prince's contract.

They only have cap space if Bynum leaves them. I think Philadelphia offers whatever it takes to keep hm and double down on their dice roll (baring a medical retirement), so, its really only a question of will Bynum want to stay. Towards that end, I think the team could be very much in a pay up (some) to get better now, and Wright definitely isn't in the long term future. Not that it is necessarily a direction I'm in favor of, but bringing in a vet he might feel more comfortable with, I think it would fit Collins and the FO.

[the_process]

I disagree I think the Sixers are cutting bait with Bynum. Doubling down hoping he stays healthy is a franchise ruining decision. Even if they do keep him, I fail to see how Prince makes them markedly better than Wright does. KOTB no.

[vege]

Detroit doesn't touch this. They have a lot of cap space already and a 2nd round pick is something bad considering they have their own and LAC 2nd + 4 early 2nd round picks on the roster being developed.

I doubt Detroit trade Prince unless they get something good for him, and making the team worse won't attract any FAs to Detroit and 13 other teams have cap space next off season so dream about a loop sided trade to justify giving Prince away for nothing is dumb.

[HartfordWhalers]

Ha! So 4-5 Philly needs incentive and one Detroit is losing a lopsided deal.

[nykballa2k4]

I'm confident the 76ers should say no. If Bynum was healthy and playing really well and the 76ers look like contenders then I'd strongly consider this deal, but Bynum may be out all season and Prince will neither elevate the team to a much higher level nor develop into a better player. Philly would want to wait and evaluate Bynum's health before giving up a lot of cap flexibility for an upgrade at backup SF.

This!

Philly says no because currently there is no point in taking on Prince for them.

Even if Bynum is healthy, the sixers don't need role players. They need a #2 star. If they make a deal, it should be to a team "selling" where outgoing is Evan Turner, expiring contracts and picks and incoming is something like Josh Smith, James Harden or Paul Millsap.

You don't paint the walls before you put up the frame.

[vege]

one Detroit is losing a lopsided deal.

Don't know what deal you're talking about. Detroit is trading their starter SF for a 33% FG replacement oh but wait, they get more cap space next season, as if the 20+ they already have isn't enough they should really drop in talent to get some more yeah

[HartfordWhalers]

one Detroit is losing a lopsided deal.

Don't know what deal you're talking about. Detroit is trading their starter SF for a 33% FG replacement oh but wait, they get more cap space next season, as if the 20+ they already have isn't enough they should really drop in talent to get some more yeah

I thought I pretty clearly explained the voting so far, with 4 to 5 people saying Detroit should do it (but Philly shouldn't) and then you saying it was lopsided against Detroit. Instead of quoting me summarizing it and why not start yelling at them all? (Or you could try and come off less hostile, either way.)

[princeofpalace]

Detroit doesnt touch this. They are not looking to dump Prince and Dorrel Wright is not a "similar level" player, that assertion is ridiculous!

[vege]

why not start yelling at them all?

I'm not yelling at anyone and they're not wrong. Prince would be bad for them, Prince would fit well in Cleveland or Sacramento, young teams that could use an experienced glue guy.

Or in a contender like OKC the Lakers or the Spurs who could use a high bbiq veteran off the bench.

Philly is in between they're neither an up and coming young team needing someone to make them stable and definitely not contending. Makes no sense for them to pay 3 years of Prince.

They're wrong by saying Philly needs incentive tho, Philly doesn't do it, not because the value is bad and they need more value, because the fit/situation is not right and do not justify paying that money to a veteran player that would get them anywhere. Detroit is the one needing incentive.

[eliasrapp98]

Sixers say NO!

[JustinSane]

I think the Pistons would not accept this trade, even though they really should. Dumars is quite loyal to Prince, and philosophically opposed to trades that lose now to win later. Singler's natural position is SF however, and starting English (who isn't even in the rotation) at the 2 and Singler SF would give them a coherent, if less talented, rotation while allowing them to see if English and/or Middleton are actually any good.

However, Dumars just doesn't think along those lines.

Well designed trade I think.