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Bobcats/Jazz/Wolves

Postby GoBobs on Thu Dec 13, 2012 5:34 pm

Bobcats out: Ben Gordon
Bobcats in: B Roy, P Milsap

Wolves out: D Williams, B Roy, Barea
Wolves in: Ben Gordon

Jazz out: P Milsap
Jazz in: D Williams, Barea

Why for the Wolves: They fill a need at sg

Why for the Bobcats: They hope MKG and Bismack will pick up some things from Milsap and hope to resign him after the season. They also clear cap room next year.

Why for the Jazz: They get a cheaper replacement for Milsap at PF win Williams, giving them plenty of space to sign Jefferson. They also eliminate the risk of losing Milsap for nothing in the summer.
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Re: Bobcats/Jazz/Wolves

Postby Mattya on Thu Dec 13, 2012 5:35 pm

No for Minnesota. No interest in Ben Gordon for me, at all.

WAY too good for the Bobcats.
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Re: Bobcats/Jazz/Wolves

Postby schaffy on Thu Dec 13, 2012 5:59 pm

I must have missed where the Bobcats actually give up something to turn Ben Gordon's huge deal into 2 expiring contracts, one of which is productive.
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Re: Bobcats/Jazz/Wolves

Postby Esohny on Thu Dec 13, 2012 7:17 pm

Mattya wrote:No for Minnesota. No interest in Ben Gordon for me, at all.

WAY too good for the Bobcats.


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Re: Bobcats/Jazz/Wolves

Postby loserX on Thu Dec 13, 2012 9:06 pm

Yeah, sorry, there's no way the Bobcats pull this off. Gordon simply doesn't have this kind of value.
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Re: Bobcats/Jazz/Wolves

Postby [RCG] on Thu Dec 13, 2012 9:19 pm

Esohny wrote:
Mattya wrote:No for Minnesota. No interest in Ben Gordon for me, at all.

WAY too good for the Bobcats.


Agreed.


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Re: Bobcats/Jazz/Wolves

Postby lewdog on Thu Dec 13, 2012 9:21 pm

Did you forget to include Charlotte's 2013 unprotected 1st going to the Wolves?
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Re: Bobcats/Jazz/Wolves

Postby AQuintus on Thu Dec 13, 2012 9:48 pm

Switch Gordon with Biyombo and it's at least worth talking about. Right now it's just bad.
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Re: Bobcats/Jazz/Wolves

Postby theatlfan on Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:34 am

Pretty shocked to see some of these comments. CHA has done a great job in rehabbing Gordon and keeping him in situations where he can feature what he can do and hiding what he can't - something DET failed miserably at. If MIN isn't interested in getting one of the top shooters in the NBA, then someone would be.

If I was in CHA's shoes, I'd keep Gordon and see if I could get a fringe lotto for Gordon at the deadline. With 13 teams within 2.5 games of being in - or out - of the playoffs, you'd think someone would be willing to pull the trigger. That would be a better return than what MIN is giving here (UTH is an easy no, so I'm ignoring their part).
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Re: Bobcats/Jazz/Wolves

Postby [RCG] on Fri Dec 14, 2012 1:04 am

theatlfan wrote:Pretty shocked to see some of these comments. CHA has done a great job in rehabbing Gordon and keeping him in situations where he can feature what he can do and hiding what he can't - something DET failed miserably at. If MIN isn't interested in getting one of the top shooters in the NBA, then someone would be.

If I was in CHA's shoes, I'd keep Gordon and see if I could get a fringe lotto for Gordon at the deadline. With 13 teams within 2.5 games of being in - or out - of the playoffs, you'd think someone would be willing to pull the trigger. That would be a better return than what MIN is giving here (UTH is an easy no, so I'm ignoring their part).


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Re: Bobcats/Jazz/Wolves

Postby moss_is_1 on Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:05 am

Gordon is getting paid what, 25m for the next 2 years? Im on my phone so I can't look but, yeah...no way anyone is giving up value for him, let alone a fringe lottery first.
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Re: Bobcats/Jazz/Wolves

Postby shrink on Fri Dec 14, 2012 7:00 am

moss_is_1 wrote:Gordon is getting paid what, 25m for the next 2 years? Im on my phone so I can't look but, yeah...no way anyone is giving up value for him, let alone a fringe lottery first.


You're right for production of 13.5 PPG, 2.0 APG, 2.5 RPG, CHA is paying $25.6 mil for two years. Detroit had to give up a pretty good pick (lottery-protected in 2013, top-8 protected in 2014, top-1 protected in 2015 and unprotected in 2016), just to get out of Gordon's last year!

No way he suddenly has even neutral trade value, let alone enough positive trade value to be bringing back 1sts.

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/ben_gordon/
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Re: Bobcats/Jazz/Wolves

Postby the_bruce on Fri Dec 14, 2012 8:55 am

Gordons value is still negative, his contracted compared to production is way to high. His play in CHA is clearly better, but giving up any capspace next year for 13m of gordon is way to much when you could sign a similarly producing FA for the MLE.

CHA might be able to dangle that DET pick + gordon to a team and get out of his 13m next season which is still a huge swing in value from his previous trade value imo.
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Re: Bobcats/Jazz/Wolves

Postby MountBiyombo on Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:51 am

the_bruce wrote:Gordons value is still negative, his contracted compared to production is way to high. His play in CHA is clearly better, but giving up any capspace next year for 13m of gordon is way to much when you could sign a similarly producing FA for the MLE.

CHA might be able to dangle that DET pick + gordon to a team and get out of his 13m next season which is still a huge swing in value from his previous trade value imo.


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I think you have the buisness of the nba backwards cousin. Detroit gave us Gordon + pick for Maggettie's expiring 7 mill contract. Next year if Gordon is still here we will be taking bids for Ben's 12 million dollar expiring deal not paying someone to take it from us. Expiring deals are like candy to a eight year old to luxury tax threatened owners. An owner doesn't care about productivity if he can get his hands on a 10 million dollar expiring. They care about productivity when they have to pay for that contract for years.
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Re: Bobcats/Jazz/Wolves

Postby Biz Gilwalker on Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:57 am

I think Minnesota would fire everyone in the FO and start over if they agreed to this.
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