sac/det sac/den

[vege]

Now he's paid (even though he's having a better year now as far as efficiency and team play).

Like you said, he is still playing well and he is being paid significantly less than before. Significantly less than Caron Butler himself btw. If anything he has more value now imo.

He is a very high bbiq guy who doesn't rely in athleticism and is never injured. He will be just fine for the remain of his contract.

[Texas Chuck]

Vege,

So Dallas 2 years ago (in a year they are legitimite title contenders) offered an injured Caron Butler and a late 1st for an expiring Prince. That I can believe. That however is hardly what you posted.

And this is your way of justifying your ludicrous belief that Prince who is now 2 years older and with 2 more years left on his deal is worth an expiring and "serious incentive"

SMH

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[vege]

1 year ago and read the post above yours for the rest of your rant or post or whatever you want to call that thing you wrote.

SMH

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[Texas Chuck]

VEge,

Its basically 2 years ago. Feb 2011 isnt one year ago. Prince has a completely different contract situation. And Dallas offered you an injured expiring and a late 1st. Do you not see how that is absolutely 100% a different situation from any current team giving you an expiring and a lotto pick or good young player (anything less isnt "Serious Incentive") for a 2 year older Prince on a longterm deal?

[vege]

Once again, read the first post of this page.

And I'd take an injured Caron Butler over a healthy Francisco Garcia anyway. Neither will see the court but Caron's Bird Rights could be worth something while Garcia might land you a pile of poop at best.

I posted a concrete fact. Detroit was offered expiring + a 1st for Prince and they declined. They will not trade Prince and a 2nd round pick for expiring. If you think different show me something concrete that suggest that please.

I'll add another fact to this. It was reported that at the draft day Detroit had a deal in place to get a better pick I don't remember exactly which pick they were targeting but the deal was Prince + Detroit's pick to improve a few spots in the draft.

That fall under the serious incentive category imo.

So once again.

Fact. Detroit rejected Prince for expiring + a 1st.

Fact. Detroit agreed on a deal to trade Prince + their pick for a better pick, they put the deal on hold and called it off.

You have the balls to post something (Please Use More Appropriate Word) like this

And this is your way of justifying your ludicrous belief

So show me the FACTS please. I'll wait patiently.

[Texas Chuck]

No Im done arguing with you. You made a completely disingenuous post based on 2 year old info that no longer pertains to Prince. If more regs come itt and post in support of both your position on Prince's current value and that the Dallas rumor linked has any remote relevance to his current value I will extend you a full apology and make it my sig.

But when they dont (and they wont) understand that your Pistons credibility has taken a major hit because not only do you tend to overvalue Piston's assets in almost every thread but now you resort to stretching the facts beyond the breaking point to support your position.

[flipwise]

Detroit doesn't touch this for several reasons.

1 - Brooks is garbage and has several years in his deal.

2 - Thomas is garbage but at least is cheap.

3 - Garcia is garbage, Sac would need to add serious incentive for a Prince for Garcia's expiring swap to happen.

4 - Detroit has 15 players under contract and they still need a roster spot for Ben Wallace who still want to play.

5 - Stuckey is Detroit's backup PG not their SG.

Detroit would counter with Prince for Thornton since Sac has no 1st round pick to add to Garcia's expiring to land Prince.

He's on a one-year contract with a player option next year (3,4 mil).

[Warspite]

This Pistons fan would like to

1. trade Prince

2. make a deal with Sac

I dont mind taking Brooks if Thronton/Jimmer are my incentive. Just need to figure out a fair deal that isnt a a 2 for 3.

However i dont think Joe D would trade Prince for anything other than a superstar type player.

[vege]

No Im done arguing with you. You made a completely disingenuous post based on 2 year old info that no longer pertains to Prince. If more regs come itt and post in support of both your position on Prince's current value and that the Dallas rumor linked has any remote relevance to his current value I will extend you a full apology and make it my sig.

But when they dont (and they wont) understand that your Pistons credibility has taken a major hit because not only do you tend to overvalue Piston's assets in almost every thread but now you resort to stretching the facts beyond the breaking point to support your position.

So let me see if I got it right. I posted 2 FACTS to backup my posts and you posted none, yet you made a bull post calling me ludicious and now this post saying a lot of **** about my opinion but yet you have no FACTS to back your OPINION right?

Yeah I think we're done you don't know wtf you're talking about and you talk like you know ****.

[vege]

He's on a one-year contract with a player option next year (3,4 mil).

Like I said, several years. There is no way he walk and leave 3.4 mil on the table considering how bad he's been playing.

[torotoe]

Vege,
You are making a fool of yourself. TC has some valid points. You are irate for some reason unknown to me. Listen to TC, or rather read his posts more carefully.

[vege]

He said "And this is your way of justifying your ludicrous belief" and I showed facts. If he has a point, he is welcome to show me the facts that prove his points. So far only one of us showed facts to backup our opinion.

He is more then welcome to disagree with my opinion but call it ludicrous belief is pathetic unless he has some strong facts to back that off. That's all.

[KF10]

Is it possible to bring CV into the deal or is he part of your guy's rotation? His PT is only ~15 min. What's up with him?

A stretch 4 for the Kings is a good idea.

What about:

Brooks: $3.3m PO (Player's option)
Garcia: $6.4m TO (Team's option)
Hayes: $5.7m, $5.9m

for

Prince : $7.2m, $7.7m
Villanueva: $8.5m

If the trade goes through, the Pistons will save ~$7m next year, overall ~$8.5m longterm.

Pistons get a vet big in Hayes (one of the best post D players in the L) that can teach Monroe & AD post defense and a back up PG in Brooks. Garcia is just an expiring (waive him after this season). But if you guys use him, he is a good set 3PT shooter (inconsistent player overall) that hustles and blocks at an unusual rate.

Kings get a vet SF in Prince that can fill the starting SF hole and a stretch 4 in CV. Prince can serve as a leader for the Kings and positive influence. CV would be the recipient of decent looks at 3s from kick out's from Reke and co.

Good? Not good? In between? Or hell no?


edit: oops! I forgot to take into your roster spot considerations. This would put you guys +1 over the limit. Hmm, maybe you guys add a filler? waive someone? etc etc?

[vege]

What's up with him?

He doesn't play defense and doesn't rebound well. He is good when your team is in trouble to score, he is very good offensively he is horrible on defense. He is trying hard this season and that's why his numbers are nice.

I'm not sure about that deal since Detroit can just amnesty CV next season instead of trade Prince for Hayes and Brooks. And while it saves ~7 million next year Detroit would need to add a starter SF. Someone better than Prince will cost more than that.

You'd need to at very least remove Brooks from the deal imo. Garcia + Thomas + Hayes for Prince and CV would be a good deal for Detroit's pov imo and makes sense for Sacramento as well.

I'd still rather something like Prince + Maxiell for Thornton + Hayes tho or CV + English for Hayes + Johnson.

[princeofpalace]

Its my opinion that Detroit wouldnt even entertain this trade, as you should know we arent hurting for cap space.

While some fans may want to ditch Prince just for the sake of ditching him, the FO likely realizes what he brings; consistency and a vet presense. He is one of our best players and is certainly are most consistent player. He also happens to be a favorite of Joe D's.

So it seems obvious that the trade is a no on Detroit's end and quite frankly I continue to be shocked why some fans continue to think that they could get Prince for pennies on the dollar. While he may not have as much value to other teams, his value to Detroit is high. At this point, you should assume that Tayshaun retires as a Piston.