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Post#1 Wolves<>Thunder<>BULLS offseason
Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:28 am by Turnover_21

Wolves trade Love for Ibaka, rights to Mirotic, Bobcats pick.

Thunder trade Ibaka for Noah

Bulls trade Noah, rights to Mirotic, Bobcats pick for Love.

Wolves move Love( a possible distraction down the road) for a young PF who fits better with Rubio and Pekovic. Ibaka is cheaper and signed for longer. They also pick up some future assets.

Thunder: Noah is better and cheaper, no brainer for them.

Bulls get to pair up Love and Rose. They pay a lot here but those two are a great partnership for years to come, plus Bulls have Gibson who brings alot of what Noah does.
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Post#2 Re: Wolves<>Thunder<>BULLS offsea
Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:46 am by Chuck Texas

how does OKC turn just Ibaka into Noah?
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Post#3 Re: Wolves<>Thunder<>BULLS offsea
Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:54 am by Turnover_21

Texas Chuck wrote:how does OKC turn just Ibaka into Noah?


I guess they can send a pick either Wolves or Bulls way.
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Post#4 Re: Wolves<>Thunder<>BULLS offsea
Sat Dec 15, 2012 1:21 am by [RCG]

It's a neat idea but:

1. I think Noah has more value than Ibaka - OKC gets too big of a steal for it to work.
2. Not sure how Bulls would feel have Boozer & Love making a combined almost $30 mil at PF w/ no C.
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Post#5 Re: Wolves<>Thunder<>BULLS offsea
Sat Dec 15, 2012 1:28 am by Turnover_21

[RCG] wrote:It's a neat idea but:

1. I think Noah has more value than Ibaka - OKC gets too big of a steal for it to work.
2. Not sure how Bulls would feel have Boozer & Love making a combined almost $30 mil at PF w/ no C.


I think they will have to amnesty Boozer because of lux tax.

Also Thunder may include Colison going to Chicago.
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Post#6 Re: Wolves<>Thunder<>BULLS offsea
Sat Dec 15, 2012 2:29 am by yenrallik11

Turnover_21 wrote:
[RCG] wrote:It's a neat idea but:

1. I think Noah has more value than Ibaka - OKC gets too big of a steal for it to work.
2. Not sure how Bulls would feel have Boozer & Love making a combined almost $30 mil at PF w/ no C.


I think they will have to amnesty Boozer because of lux tax.

Also Thunder may include Colison going to Chicago.


for the reasons mentioned above i dont think this deal works

how about make it just okc/ bulls

perkins, collison (hard to give him up), TO 1st, another 1st, and lamb for noah, gibson??
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Post#7 Re: Wolves<>Thunder<>BULLS offsea
Sat Dec 15, 2012 2:42 am by [RCG]

yenrallik11 wrote:
Turnover_21 wrote:
[RCG] wrote:It's a neat idea but:

1. I think Noah has more value than Ibaka - OKC gets too big of a steal for it to work.
2. Not sure how Bulls would feel have Boozer & Love making a combined almost $30 mil at PF w/ no C.


I think they will have to amnesty Boozer because of lux tax.

Also Thunder may include Colison going to Chicago.


for the reasons mentioned above i dont think this deal works

how about make it just okc/ bulls

perkins, collison (hard to give him up), TO 1st, another 1st, and lamb for noah, gibson??


Perkins, Collison, TOR 1st, OKC 1st, Lamb for Noah, Gibson.

Noah >>> Perkins
Gibson > Collison

Adding Lamb, Toronto 1st, and OKC 1st (marginal) might make this worthwhile but it'd be a tough sell to Chicago.
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Post#8 Re: Wolves<>Thunder<>BULLS offsea
Sat Dec 15, 2012 2:47 am by yenrallik11

o and reasons

bulls: perkins and coach thibs have a positive relationship/history from the celtics title run. perk would bring a lot of the same things noah did and would likely be expected to fill that type of anchor down low on D. perkins aint noah but the edge perk plays with, the tough physical play on D is what makes him an asset. he really wants to get into a guy and annoy/tire out the guys body to the point where he mentally slips and makes mistakes. noah doesnt have that same kind of edge. has his own type though! collison fills gibsons role well. the firsts and lamb make up the talent different.

okc: their post gets an up grade in many ways .... faster, taller, more energetic, probably more talented at the center. he had some nice games this year stepping up without rose. think noah would fit their starting line up incredibly well, gibsons fills that collison role but probably brings more talent and youth/potential to grow.
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Post#9 Re: Wolves<>Thunder<>BULLS offsea
Sat Dec 15, 2012 2:55 am by yenrallik11

[RCG] wrote:
yenrallik11 wrote:
Turnover_21 wrote:



Adding Lamb, Toronto 1st, and OKC 1st (marginal) might make this worthwhile but it'd be a tough sell to Chicago.


that TO pick could be nice and lamb next to rose in the long term could be a great back court. i personally like noah and would rather have him over most centers but i do believe this comes close to fair value
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Post#10 Re: Wolves<>Thunder<>BULLS offsea
Sat Dec 15, 2012 9:18 am by Turnover_21

yenrallik11 wrote:
Turnover_21 wrote:
[RCG] wrote:It's a neat idea but:

1. I think Noah has more value than Ibaka - OKC gets too big of a steal for it to work.
2. Not sure how Bulls would feel have Boozer & Love making a combined almost $30 mil at PF w/ no C.


I think they will have to amnesty Boozer because of lux tax.

Also Thunder may include Colison going to Chicago.


for the reasons mentioned above i dont think this deal works

how about make it just okc/ bulls

perkins, collison (hard to give him up), TO 1st, another 1st, and lamb for noah, gibson??



Come on, that's just terrible for Chicago. They are not going to give up Noah and Gibson who are heart and sole of their team without getting a proven allstar in return. Your homerism clouds your judgement.
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Post#11 Re: Wolves<>Thunder<>BULLS offsea
Sun Dec 16, 2012 3:12 pm by yenrallik11

Turnover_21 wrote:Come on, that's just terrible for Chicago. They are not going to give up Noah and Gibson who are heart and sole of their team without getting a proven allstar in return. Your homerism clouds your judgement.


and your ignorance of the business side of the NBA cloud your judgement, i aint being anything of a homer. noah is my favorite center in the league and i love what he brings, gibson is great too but the cash savings and long term assets make the deal worth looking at in my opinion. perk and collison would do a fine job replacing noah gibson. i admit not to the same level but thats what lamb and the picks are for.
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Post#12 Re: Wolves<>Thunder<>BULLS offsea
Sun Dec 16, 2012 4:18 pm by comingbacktousa

yenrallik11 wrote:
Turnover_21 wrote:Come on, that's just terrible for Chicago. They are not going to give up Noah and Gibson who are heart and sole of their team without getting a proven allstar in return. Your homerism clouds your judgement.


and your ignorance of the business side of the NBA cloud your judgement, i aint being anything of a homer. noah is my favorite center in the league and i love what he brings, gibson is great too but the cash savings and long term assets make the deal worth looking at in my opinion. perk and collison would do a fine job replacing noah gibson. i admit not to the same level but thats what lamb and the picks are for.


If the thunder can turn Perkins, Collison, Lamb, and 2 1st into Gibson and Noah, it would be a great value trade for them. It would however put them slightly over the tax line, with several holes to fill (mainly back up sg). I think a starting line-up of Westbrook, Sef, Durant, Ibaka, Noah with Gibson, Jackson, pj3 and a sg, would be enough to get the ownership to pay the tax in the first year. But the problem comes in year 2 and 3. Westbrook, Durant, Ibaka, Noah, Gibson would be locked up for around $70 million in year 2. So a minimum of around $80-85 million to fill the rest of the roster. I don't see the ownership willing to have that high of a payroll with the repeater tax sets in.

I highly doubt the bulls will agree to that. If they do it it would only be so they don't have to amnesty boozer. It really depends on how much they value the toronto pick, because its essentially a salary dump. I'm not sure what the protection is on the cha pick but this trade essentially is having them rebuild again.
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Post#13 Re: Wolves<>Thunder<>BULLS offseason trade
Sun Dec 16, 2012 4:54 pm by BadWolf

Noah is better then Ibaka, but ibaka is a better fit with thunder. Pj3 is not ready and thunder don't want to move kd to of permanently.
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Post#14 Re: Wolves<>Thunder<>BULLS offsea
Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:41 pm by Chuck Texas

BadWolf wrote:Noah is better then Ibaka, but ibaka is a better fit with thunder. Pj3 is not ready and thunder don't want to move kd to of permanently.


Nick Collison could easily take 25 PF minutes. They could also sign a cheap veteran PF since this is an offseason deal. Noah/50th best PF in the league is a better combo than Perkins/Ibaka.
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Post#15 Re: Wolves<>Thunder<>BULLS offsea
Mon Dec 17, 2012 2:00 pm by yenrallik11

comingbacktousa wrote:
yenrallik11 wrote:
Turnover_21 wrote:Come on, that's just terrible for Chicago. They are not going to give up Noah and Gibson who are heart and sole of their team without getting a proven allstar in return. Your homerism clouds your judgement.


and your ignorance of the business side of the NBA cloud your judgement, i aint being anything of a homer. noah is my favorite center in the league and i love what he brings, gibson is great too but the cash savings and long term assets make the deal worth looking at in my opinion. perk and collison would do a fine job replacing noah gibson. i admit not to the same level but thats what lamb and the picks are for.


If the thunder can turn Perkins, Collison, Lamb, and 2 1st into Gibson and Noah, it would be a great value trade for them. It would however put them slightly over the tax line, with several holes to fill (mainly back up sg). I think a starting line-up of Westbrook, Sef, Durant, Ibaka, Noah with Gibson, Jackson, pj3 and a sg, would be enough to get the ownership to pay the tax in the first year. But the problem comes in year 2 and 3. Westbrook, Durant, Ibaka, Noah, Gibson would be locked up for around $70 million in year 2. So a minimum of around $80-85 million to fill the rest of the roster. I don't see the ownership willing to have that high of a payroll with the repeater tax sets in.

I highly doubt the bulls will agree to that. If they do it it would only be so they don't have to amnesty boozer. It really depends on how much they value the toronto pick, because its essentially a salary dump. I'm not sure what the protection is on the cha pick but this trade essentially is having them rebuild again.


right now there is not a hole at sg with martin there, and he is also a decent sized expiring which will help the cash situation. not too mention im sure okc could find guard depth on the cheap as they are a contender (ie ..... ray allen on the cheap with the heat)
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