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Post#1 Suns & Grizz Usher Dwight Back East
Tue Jan 8, 2013 2:02 am by ecuhus1981

Trade ID# 6198300

Brooklyn Nets Trade Breakdown
Incoming Players: Dwight Howard, Metta World Peace, Hamed Haddadi
Outgoing Players: Brook Lopez, Gerald Wallace, MarShon Brooks, '13 and '15 1sts
BRK drops trou for a superstar.
Williams, Johnson, Peace, Humphries, Howard
Watson, Bogans, Stackhouse, Evans, Blatche


Los Angeles Lakers Trade Breakdown
Incoming Players: Rudy Gay, Marcin Gortat, Kendall Marshall
Outgoing Players: Dwight Howard, Metta World Peace, Chris Duhon
LAL gets younger while maintaining a win-now approach.
Nash, Bryant, Gay, Gasol, Gortat
Blake, Meeks, Clark, Jamison, Hill


Memphis Grizzlies Trade Breakdown
Incoming Players: Gerald Wallace, Chris Duhon, Shannon Brown, '13 and '15 1sts
Outgoing Players: Rudy Gay, Jerryd Bayless, Hamed Haddadi
MEM improves defense and depth for the postseason, while trimming future payroll.
Conley, Allen, Wallace, Randolph, Gasol
Duhon, Brown, Pondexter, Arthur, Speights


Phoenix Suns Trade Breakdown
Incoming Players: Brook Lopez, MarShon Brooks, Jerryd Bayless
Outgoing Players: Marcin Gortat, Shannon Brown, Kendall Marshall
PHX nabs a young C to build for the future.
Dragic, Brooks, Dudley, Beasley, Lopez
Bayless, Johnson, Scola, Morris, O'neal
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Post#2 Re: Suns & Grizz Usher Dwight Back East
Tue Jan 8, 2013 2:46 am by JB2

Phx and BK say hell yess
Lakers and Grizz decline

Send the Lakers back some picks from Phx, including their own, then maybe.
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Post#3 Re: Suns & Grizz Usher Dwight Back East
Tue Jan 8, 2013 3:48 am by hcsilla

Creative trade and a very good one, I have a hard time finding a hole in it, good job,

I disagree that both the Lakers and Grizzlies refuse this deal.

Gortat is an ideal pick-and-roll partner for Nash, they upgrade MWP to Gay and get a lottery pick. The Suns won't send back their picks, especially not in this deal.

Memphis get Wallace a hardworker replacement for Gay, Brown is a servicable backup and the picks make up the youth that they lose with Gay.
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Post#4 Re: Suns & Grizz Usher Dwight Back East
Tue Jan 8, 2013 3:59 am by LA_Sports

I can't see the Lakers downgrading their center for what they gain in Gay. Plus that doesn't give them a true player to build around in the future. So no
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Post#5 Re: Suns & Grizz Usher Dwight Back East
Tue Jan 8, 2013 4:17 am by UN-Owen

Does Memphis need to improve their defense?

I thought they needed shooters
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Post#6 Re: Suns & Grizz Usher Dwight Back East
Tue Jan 8, 2013 4:40 am by Young_Star11

Not bad value-wise for all involved. Can't say that about most of the trades on this board.
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Post#7 Re: Suns & Grizz Usher Dwight Back East
Tue Jan 8, 2013 6:51 am by nevetsov

Suns don't want to help the Lakers get healthy. They want the Lakers to miss the Playoffs so PHX gets their lottery pick.
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Post#8 Re: Suns & Grizz Usher Dwight Back East
Tue Jan 8, 2013 1:42 pm by magic wand time

ecuhus1981 wrote:Trade ID# 6198300

Brooklyn Nets Trade Breakdown
Incoming Players: Dwight Howard, Metta World Peace, Hamed Haddadi
Outgoing Players: Brook Lopez, Gerald Wallace, MarShon Brooks, '13 and '15 1sts
BRK drops trou for a superstar.
Williams, Johnson, Peace, Humphries, Howard
Watson, Bogans, Stackhouse, Evans, Blatche


Los Angeles Lakers Trade Breakdown
Incoming Players: Rudy Gay, Marcin Gortat, Kendall Marshall
Outgoing Players: Dwight Howard, Metta World Peace, Chris Duhon
LAL gets younger while maintaining a win-now approach.
Nash, Bryant, Gay, Gasol, Gortat
Blake, Meeks, Clark, Jamison, Hill


Memphis Grizzlies Trade Breakdown
Incoming Players: Gerald Wallace, Chris Duhon, Shannon Brown, '13 and '15 1sts
Outgoing Players: Rudy Gay, Jerryd Bayless, Hamed Haddadi
MEM improves defense and depth for the postseason, while trimming future payroll.
Conley, Allen, Wallace, Randolph, Gasol
Duhon, Brown, Pondexter, Arthur, Speights


Phoenix Suns Trade Breakdown
Incoming Players: Brook Lopez, MarShon Brooks, Jerryd Bayless
Outgoing Players: Marcin Gortat, Shannon Brown, Kendall Marshall
PHX nabs a young C to build for the future.
Dragic, Brooks, Dudley, Beasley, Lopez
Bayless, Johnson, Scola, Morris, O'neal


Change Duhon to Blake to add to LA's benefit and I'm sold (no pick needed).
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Post#9 Re: Suns & Grizz Usher Dwight Back East
Tue Jan 8, 2013 7:11 pm by 1UPZ

JB2 wrote:Phx and BK say hell yess
Lakers and Grizz decline

Send the Lakers back some picks from Phx, including their own, then maybe.



If Howard was locked in for 3-4 years... you'd have a case for Lakers wanting picks as they have leverage..

but with Howard expiring and a FA... Lakers would be better off looking for a big man and another contributor locked in whilst Kobe, Nash, Gasol core can compete.
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Post#10 Re: Suns & Grizz Usher Dwight Back East
Tue Jan 8, 2013 7:12 pm by 1UPZ

nevetsov wrote:Suns don't want to help the Lakers get healthy. They want the Lakers to miss the Playoffs so PHX gets their lottery pick.



yeah Suns dont want ANY part of making the lakers playoff chances increase..... its a conflict of interest.
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Post#11 Re: Suns & Grizz Usher Dwight Back East
Tue Jan 8, 2013 8:58 pm by I_Socrates

JB2 wrote:Phx and BK say hell yess
Lakers and Grizz decline

Send the Lakers back some picks from Phx, including their own, then maybe.


Not a chance in hell. I don't like it for the Suns as is, then you want us to include picks? PLEASE!
Lopez has been nice, sure. Let's not forget though that the injury concerns have not disappeared, and he's paid a max salary. He's not a number 1 option, probably never will be, and we don't have anyone else that can be that for us. Add in the fact that we like to run and Lopez is slower than a sloth, and we're just not interested.

He's not a good fit, he's overpaid, and he has injury concerns. I'll stick with Gortat and possibly be happier taking on Gay, who's locked in for less years and doesn't have the injury concerns. :)
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Post#12 Re: Suns & Grizz Usher Dwight Back East
Wed Jan 9, 2013 1:51 am by ecuhus1981

1UPZ wrote:
nevetsov wrote:Suns don't want to help the Lakers get healthy. They want the Lakers to miss the Playoffs so PHX gets their lottery pick.

yeah Suns dont want ANY part of making the lakers playoff chances increase..... its a conflict of interest.

Fair points. Realize though that IF the Lakers trade Dwight, it'll be at the trade deadline, with playoff hopes already effectively dashed. I don't think that PHX would be helping LAL keep its pick.


This deal would help LAL recoup something substantial for Howard before he bolts, and prep for next season. As an unrestricted FA with a dozen willing to move mountains to sign him, Dwight has other options. He is NOT staying in LA for a team that can't maximize his strengths, and is getting ancient. With a reunited Nash/Gortat P&R combo and an offseason work out the Jordan/Pippen dynamic of Kobe and Gay, the could be a force in 2014.
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Post#13 Re: Suns & Grizz Usher Dwight Back East
Wed Jan 9, 2013 3:50 am by willbsn13

Phoenix says hell yes. Lakers still don't improve the bench though, which has been a problem for them this season
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Post#14 Re: Suns & Grizz Usher Dwight Back East
Wed Jan 9, 2013 5:44 am by DirtyDez

It's good value but I wouldn't do something like this until the summer.
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Post#15 Re: Suns & Grizz Usher Dwight Back East
Wed Jan 9, 2013 7:53 am by JoseRizal

1UPZ wrote:
JB2 wrote:Phx and BK say hell yess
Lakers and Grizz decline

Send the Lakers back some picks from Phx, including their own, then maybe.



If Howard was locked in for 3-4 years... you'd have a case for Lakers wanting picks as they have leverage..

but with Howard expiring and a FA... Lakers would be better off looking for a big man and another contributor locked in whilst Kobe, Nash, Gasol core can compete.

This.

Without any commitment for Dwight, the Lakers don't have the cards. Unless, they let him walk for nothing...

Good trade for all parties imo.
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Post#16 Re: Suns & Grizz Usher Dwight Back East
Wed Jan 9, 2013 10:08 am by Prospect Dong

I don't mind the basic structure or the overall value for the Griz, but I don't think we can afford to give up Bayless while only getting Duhon and Brown back - we need a legitimate backup combo guard, and I don't think either of those guys fits the bill, though I haven't followed them closely.

Can you suggest an additional deal to reroute one of those picks to get the griz a 20 mpg backup guard?
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Post#17 Re: Suns & Grizz Usher Dwight Back East
Wed Jan 9, 2013 2:42 pm by boogiesdad

I think the Grizz would make this trade.
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Post#18 Re: Suns & Grizz Usher Dwight Back East
Thu Jan 10, 2013 3:22 am by ecuhus1981

So, MEM is agreeable. LAL fans are coming around, it seems. I don't know how my fellow BRK feel about it, but I'd love to get more feedback from PHX fans. Is that Lakers' 1st really in jeopardy, before or after the deal?
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Post#19 Re: Suns & Grizz Usher Dwight Back East
Thu Jan 10, 2013 9:52 am by Case2012

Surprised Memphis likes this, Wallace is on the down slope of his career and he's Locked in for a 3 more years at 10 million. They also have problems scoring the ball and Wallace doesn't solve that for them. Two years ago, Wallace would've worked but I'm afraid Portland sapped a lot of his vitality. A side from that I think it's a good deal all around.
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