yardbarker

NCAA Wiretap Headlines

Phoenix gets Gay?

Moderators: Chuck Texas, jazzfan1971, Trader_Joe, HartfordWhalers, moocow007, loserX

Post#1 Phoenix gets Gay?
Tue Jan 8, 2013 12:08 pm by BLT

Rumors going around that Memphis is about to send Gay to Phienix fir Jared Dudley and a couple of firsts
BLT
Junior
Posts: 480
And1: 4
Joined: May 12, 2001
Top

Post#2 Re: Phoenix gets Gay?
Tue Jan 8, 2013 12:11 pm by shrink

Well, Woj says the two sides are talking ..

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--suns- ... 05609.html

Woj wrote:The Memphis Grizzlies and Phoenix Suns are engaged in trade talks centered on forward Rudy Gay, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

Rudy Gay is averaging 17.8 points and 5.8 rebounds this season. (USA Today Sports)The Grizzlies have been shopping Gay to multiple teams, and found an interested trade partner with the Suns, sources said.

There's no framework of a possible deal in place, but the Grizzlies have expressed a strong desire that any package involving Gay include Suns forward Jared Dudley and future first-round draft picks, sources said.

In an effort to avoid paying luxury tax in the short term, as well as get off the $17.8 million and $19.3 million owed Gay in the 2013-14 and 2014-15 seasons, new Memphis management has aggressively shopped Gay. The Grizzlies have made proposals on Gay to several teams, front-office sources told Yahoo! Sports.

Gay will make $16.4 million this year.

The Suns have been mindful of their financial state under Phoenix owner Robert Sarver, and there are still doubts within the organization they will ultimately be able to absorb the remainder of Gay's contract.

The Suns own the Los Angeles Lakers' first round picks in 2013 and 2015.


PHX also owns the MIN pick, top 13 protected, but Woj often gets things wrong about MIN
shrink
RealGM
Posts: 33,934
And1: 198
Joined: Sep 25, 2005
Top

Post#3 Re: Phoenix gets Gay?
Tue Jan 8, 2013 12:31 pm by pja123

This deal works financially:

Grizz get:
Jared Dudley
Wes Johndon
Shannon Brown

Suns get:
Rudy Gay
Tony Wroten
pja123
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 12,970
And1: 3
Joined: Mar 16, 2001
Top

Post#4 Re: Phoenix gets Gay?
Tue Jan 8, 2013 12:38 pm by x-

^Yup.

Not that it matters, but I think Hollinger liked Wroten, but not Selby coming out of college and financially it works with Selby instead of Wroten as well.
Really just comes down to the pick(s), though.
x-

Analyst
Posts: 3,272
And1: 65
Joined: Dec 5, 2005
Top

Post#5 Re: Phoenix gets Gay?
Tue Jan 8, 2013 12:39 pm by BizGilwalker

Horrible for Phoenix. They are probably the last team in the league that could use Gay. They do NOT need to cash strap their future with slightly-above average talent on hideous contracts. This is a team that is closer to the bottom than the playoffs. A deal like this might push team closer to the playoffs, but that gets them stuck drafting from the dreaded 8-12 area for years to come. The talent is good enough to keep your team afloat, but not good enough to make that final push for the playoffs. It's where the Bobcats were for a while. We blew it up because we were headed for the luxury tax despite being a team on the bubble year after year, with no way to improve through the draft or the free agent market.

Regardless, I think every team in the league that has any reason to care about costs would rather have Jared Dudley than Rudy Gay, simply because Gay makes nearly FOUR TIMES what Dudley makes.
Takingbaconback wrote:Would anyone really be that surprised if Dieng was a better player than Wiggins in the next 5 years?
BizGilwalker


RealGM
User avatar
Posts: 20,904
And1: 1,869
Joined: Feb 5, 2012
Location: #biznation
Top

Post#6 Re: Phoenix gets Gay?
Tue Jan 8, 2013 12:46 pm by why22

Memphis rapes in this deal if its true.
Basketball_Jones wrote:BC holding Casey accountable would go like this:

BC: so I see you played Andrea quite a bit there when he was struggling
Casey: yeah I know, we needed spacing
BC: play him more (walks away)
why22
Analyst
User avatar
Posts: 3,530
And1: 16
Joined: Nov 26, 2008
Location: T Dot
Top

Post#7 Re: Phoenix gets Gay?
Tue Jan 8, 2013 12:49 pm by EB2

Dudley makes more of an impact on his team than Gay and that's without bringing their salaries into the discussion.
EB2




Rookie
User avatar
Posts: 1,197
And1: 49
Joined: Aug 17, 2012
Location: Parts Known
Top

Post#8 Re: Phoenix gets Gay?
Tue Jan 8, 2013 12:54 pm by panthermark

Good deal....IF....the Suns are the ones getting the pick.
Jealousy is a sickness.......get well soon....
Image
panthermark





RealGM
User avatar
Posts: 16,541
And1: 622
Joined: Mar 15, 2010
Location: Undisclosed: MJ's shadow could be lurking....
Top

Post#9 Re: Phoenix gets Gay?
Tue Jan 8, 2013 12:54 pm by re49gb_2gho32fp

stop the presses

///////Sources tell me that a Grizzlies/PHX deal for Rudy Gay is unlikely. Not enough assets, but PHX does love Rudy. chill. ////
re49gb_2gho32fp
Banned User
Posts: 3,198
And1: 14
Joined: Jun 2, 2010
Top

Post#10 Re: Phoenix gets Gay?
Tue Jan 8, 2013 1:01 pm by post0115

No way Phx get Rudy Gay unless Gortat goes to 3rd team.
post0115
Junior
Posts: 272
And1: 1
Joined: Dec 16, 2006
Top

Post#11 Re: Phoenix gets Gay?
Tue Jan 8, 2013 1:03 pm by why22

maybe the suns do


Dudley
Johnson
Beasley


for

Gay



dumping beasley makes it less terrible for the suns i would imagine.
Basketball_Jones wrote:BC holding Casey accountable would go like this:

BC: so I see you played Andrea quite a bit there when he was struggling
Casey: yeah I know, we needed spacing
BC: play him more (walks away)
why22
Analyst
User avatar
Posts: 3,530
And1: 16
Joined: Nov 26, 2008
Location: T Dot
Top

Post#12 Re: Phoenix gets Gay?
Tue Jan 8, 2013 1:07 pm by Bentley1225

I agree a Beasley/Johnson swap for Gay makes more sense for Phoenix as Gays contract will prohibit Suns from a adding a major piece via free agency so they have to build through draft to improve team.

Whether Memphis wants Beasley remains to be seen. Memphis could offer MLE to a starting SF in the off-season if Beasley doesn't prove he can be a legit starting 3. The Grizz would still save $ and improve depth.
Bentley1225
Starter
Posts: 2,320
And1: 22
Joined: Jan 9, 2007
Top

Post#13 Re: Phoenix gets Gay?
Tue Jan 8, 2013 1:08 pm by vege

Dudley Johnson and Telfair + a TPE for Gay works.
vege
RealGM
User avatar
Posts: 11,595
And1: 107
Joined: Jul 18, 2008
Location: Somewhere celebrating Drummond's Pick!!!!!!!
Top

Post#14 Re: Phoenix gets Gay?
Tue Jan 8, 2013 1:14 pm by [RCG]

That trade doesn't save the Griz $$$. I'm thinking Dudley+Frye+1st for Gay.
Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt
[RCG]
Head Coach
User avatar
Posts: 7,047
And1: 134
Joined: May 24, 2010
Location: Saint Paul
Top

Post#15 Re: Phoenix gets Gay?
Tue Jan 8, 2013 1:14 pm by lazfa199

Gentry, Beasley, Dudley for Gay, makes it better for the suns
lazfa199
Rookie
Posts: 1,146
And1: 14
Joined: Nov 26, 2011
Top

Post#16 Re: Phoenix gets Gay?
Tue Jan 8, 2013 1:17 pm by TruthTelling

LOL

Dudley himself is as good as Gay. Can you tell me why the Suns would include expiring contracts and picks for the luxury to pay Gay 37M$ over the next 2 years?

Ridiculous.

Gay and Wroten for Dudley, Johnson and Beasley would be more balanced.
TruthTelling
Banned User
Posts: 798
And1: 22
Joined: Nov 12, 2012
Top

Post#17 Re: Phoenix gets Gay?
Tue Jan 8, 2013 1:18 pm by SideSwipe

Dudley, beasely, frye, lower of la or minny picks
For
Gay, Speights

Dramatically lowers Mem salary obligations and tax due to frye covered by ins. And taking back $4 mill less salary
SideSwipe
Sixth Man
Posts: 1,766
And1: 27
Joined: Aug 20, 2007
Top

Post#18 Re: Phoenix gets Gay?
Tue Jan 8, 2013 1:21 pm by gswhoops

I doubt a deal gets done without Phoenix including either Beasley or Frye.

Dudley, Beasley, and some picks for Gay would probably do it if the rumor is real.
gswhoops



Retired Mod
Retired Mod
User avatar
Posts: 27,364
And1: 320
Joined: Apr 27, 2005
Location: Warriors - Niners - Skins - Stanford - SF Giants
Top

Post#19 Re: Phoenix gets Gay?
Tue Jan 8, 2013 1:23 pm by DusterBuster

CHA_77_Bobcats wrote:Horrible for Phoenix. They are probably the last team in the league that could use Gay. They do NOT need to cash strap their future with slightly-above average talent on hideous contracts. This is a team that is closer to the bottom than the playoffs. A deal like this might push team closer to the playoffs, but that gets them stuck drafting from the dreaded 8-12 area for years to come. The talent is good enough to keep your team afloat, but not good enough to make that final push for the playoffs. It's where the Bobcats were for a while. We blew it up because we were headed for the luxury tax despite being a team on the bubble year after year, with no way to improve through the draft or the free agent market.

Regardless, I think every team in the league that has any reason to care about costs would rather have Jared Dudley than Rudy Gay, simply because Gay makes nearly FOUR TIMES what Dudley makes.


This is so typical of the Suns current management team. Get a guy who's a "name" player that can sell some tickets and jerseys and to hell with trying to create a winning franchise in the future.
Devilzsidewalk wrote:DB is like the ultimate Wolves troll
DusterBuster


RealGM
User avatar
Posts: 16,256
And1: 1,607
Joined: Jan 31, 2010
Top

Post#20 Re: Phoenix gets Gay?
Tue Jan 8, 2013 1:23 pm by TruthTelling

Why would we throw in picks there?!

Dudley, Beasley and Johnson is already giving Memphis an as good player and a huge expiring contract for Gay that is how much money Gay makes.
TruthTelling
Banned User
Posts: 798
And1: 22
Joined: Nov 12, 2012
Top

Next

Return to Trades and Transactions


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: achimho, I_Socrates, winter_mute_13