Phoenix gets Gay?

[GhostX]

Phoenix isnt re-building properly. They need to go all in ,not make moves like this.

[giberish]

I agree with the general sentiment that it would be Dudley/Beasley/small filer form Phoenix to make sense.

For a 4th/5th starter Dudley is at least as good as Gay (and clearly better than Derozen, he can make 3's and plays better D). His overall trade value is higher than Gay's, but adding Beasley balances things somewhat.

I really doubt Memphis would want Beasley though. I'd expect they'd look for a 3rd team to add a solid if overpaid rotation wing or backup PG for Beasley. I'm not sure who that would be right now though.

[shrink]

Let me point out one other subtle benefit I haven't seen anyone mention.

The Suns own the lesser of the 2013 MEM or MIN pick. It certainly looks like that's going to be the MEM pick, which right now is #26. If they get Gay off the team for lesser talent, they improve the MEM pick that they already own.

[GhostX]

Phoenix isnt re-building properly. They need to go all in ,not make moves like this. Move Gortat for a pick and prospect. Deal Marshall and clear cap.

[giberish]

Let me point out one other subtle benefit I haven't seen anyone mention.

The Suns own the lesser of the 2013 MEM or MIN pick. It certainly looks like that's going to be the MEM pick, which right now is #26. If they get Gay off the team for lesser talent, they improve the MEM pick that they already own.

Of course Memphis may want their pick back as part of the deal.

[TruthTelling]

Let me point out one other subtle benefit I haven't seen anyone mention.

The Suns own the lesser of the 2013 MEM or MIN pick. It certainly looks like that's going to be the MEM pick, which right now is #26. If they get Gay off the team for lesser talent, they improve the MEM pick that they already own.

except Memphis would be a better team with Dudley instead of Gay...

Last time Gay was injured Memphis also played better without him even.

[GhostX]

Let me point out one other subtle benefit I haven't seen anyone mention.

The Suns own the lesser of the 2013 MEM or MIN pick. It certainly looks like that's going to be the MEM pick, which right now is #26. If they get Gay off the team for lesser talent, they improve the MEM pick that they already own.

Just circumstantial though. You dont make big moves like this just to keep a late 1st

[TruthTelling]

I agree that Gay is over-priced, but what would you say is a fair contract for him? $11 mil/year? He's productive, he can do things that some other guys can't, and even if you fault Sarver for it -- selling tickets is a valuable commodity.

I think if the PHX can off-load Beasley's 3-year deal, then you can start from a fairer ground.

I know Suns fans love Dudley, but a deal starting with Dudley + cap space + LAL 1st + Beasley for Gay is something that I think is fair to both teams. Both teams could improve the deal with lesser pieces involved.

LAL 1st is a lottery pick any inclusion is ridiculous.

Gay is productive? His PER is LOWER than Dudley's. Gay is putting up 18/6 on BARELY 40%.

And Rudy Gay is a no-name too, he is no allstar, he is not the type of player that fills seats.

[shrink]

I really doubt Memphis would want Beasley though. I'd expect they'd look for a 3rd team to add a solid if overpaid rotation wing or backup PG for Beasley. I'm not sure who that would be right now though.

I don't think they'll want him either. Wherever he ends up, with MIN or a third team, I expect that they'll give him a chance for the rest of the season, and if he doesn't help, I expect they'll get rid of the remaining $12 mil with the stretch provision this summer over 5 years. I hear his final season isn't fully guaranteed -- anyone know how much that is?

[shrink]

LAL 1st is a lottery pick any inclusion is ridiculous.

My bad. I've grown accustomed to thinking of it as a pick in the 20's.

Getting the rights to the MIN pick (that will probably turn into the MEM pick) is the better way to go.

[Foshan]

PHX: Dudley / Gorat / Min 1st
phx: Gay / Moultrie

PHI: Moultrie / N.Young / 2nd
phi: Gorat / Selby

MEM: Gay / Selby
mem: Dudley / Young (expiring) / Min 1st / Phi 2nd

Phx gets Gay, because they seem to want him... plus a young big with some upside. Philly gets a C because they are delusional and think they are good. Mem gets a replacement, $$ savings and some picks.

[DusterBuster]

Phoenix isnt re-building properly. They need to go all in ,not make moves like this.

They've been improperly rebuilding since they let Amare leave.

They let Amare leave, which ended up being a smart move, but then took all the cap space they got from that by signing Hakim Warrick to a large contract for what he brings, Josh Childress to a ridiculously huge contract considering he hadn't been in the NBA for years and then trading for Hedo Turkoglu, who was at that time, the worst contract in the NBA. Instead of being patient and using the cap space properly, they blew all of it on terrible investments.

Then they hold onto Nash for too long until they eventually lose him via FA. They got some picks back which was nice for them, but then what did they do with the cap space he opened up? Offered a max contract to a guy with chronic knee issues, signed a solid but inconsistent Goran Dragic and a complete malcontent cancer in Beasley.

Again, their management is so incompetent that the idea of trading for a overpaid Rudy Gay is just par for the course. They're going to give away decent draft picks that could help the properly rebuild for a low potential immediate boost.

[mlloyd10]

If MEM wants star power and also wants to get rid of Gay

MEM get: Ellis/Beasley
Bucks get: Dudley
Suns get: Gay

[Br0ken_Sp0ke]

Phoenix isnt re-building properly. They need to go all in ,not make moves like this.

They've been improperly rebuilding since they let Amare leave.

They let Amare leave, which ended up being a smart move, but then took all the cap space they got from that by signing Hakim Warrick to a large contract for what he brings, Josh Childress to a ridiculously huge contract considering he hadn't been in the NBA for years and then trading for Hedo Turkoglu, who was at that time, the worst contract in the NBA. Instead of being patient and using the cap space properly, they blew all of it on terrible investments.

Then they hold onto Nash for too long until they eventually lose him via FA. They got some picks back which was nice for them, but then what did they do with the cap space he opened up? Offered a max contract to a guy with chronic knee issues, signed a solid but inconsistent Goran Dragic and a complete malcontent cancer in Beasley.

Again, their management is so incompetent that the idea of trading for a overpaid Rudy Gay is just par for the course. They're going to give away decent draft picks that could help the properly rebuild for a low potential immediate boost.

Not to mention that when they had the opportunity to get a real star in James Harden to build around, they thought their assets were too good and said no...

The talks boiled down to the Suns having to part with a "substantial player," another asset, and two first round picks. In the end it became a simple question of whether the team thought Harden was worth two first round picks. Could they afford to mortgage their future for the potential of Harden becoming a star? Babby ultimately decided the answer to that was no.

[Trader_Joe]

Dudley, S.Brown, Wes, Protected #1, $5.7m TPE/Savings
for
Gay, Pondexter

Seems fair.