RGM's Top 25 Most Valuable Players - Vote for #16

[HartfordWhalers]

Real GM's TnT Board Top 25 Most Valuable Players

1. LeBron James
2. Kevin Durant
3. Kyrie Irving
4. Derrick Rose
5. Carmelo Anthony
6. Chris Paul
7. Anthony Davis
8. James Harden
9. Russell Westbrook
10. Blake Griffin
11. LaMarcus Aldridge
12. Kevin Love
13. Rajon Rondo
14. Marc Gasol
15. Damian Lillard

With December 15th here, seems now is as good a time as any for our annual list of players with the most trade value. After this is done we will move on to the annual list of players with the most negative trade value.


Please vote for the player that you think currently has the most trade value and please list a nominee that should be added the voting list. Remember this is trade value, so factors such as salary/contract, age, potential, production, injuries, etc. should all be factored in to your vote.



The current nominees:


Kobe Bryant


Jrue Holiday


Dwight Howard


Dwayne Wade


Paul George


Stephen Curry


Deron Williams


Andre Drummond


Ricky Rubio


Serge Ibaka


Some helpful sites for salary information:
http://data.shamsports.com/content/page ... /index.jsp
http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-salaries/


Please write in both your vote and nomination



Last year's results:
http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1161629



Votes:
Kobe - 6
Deron - 4
Dwight - 2
Drummond - 3
Lillard - 8
Curry - 1
George - 2
Holiday - 1

Nominations:
Lin -1
Lopez - 4
Ibaka - 10
Bosh - 4
Lee - 1
Wall - 1
Monroe - 2
Duncan - 1
MKG - 2
Favors - 1

[Texas Chuck]

Vote: George
Nom: MKG

Sticking with my votes from the last several threads. Injuries, age and contracts push a lot of the bigger names behind George imo.

[Trader_Joe]

Vote: Andre Drummond
Said it before.. up to 9 years of potentially the most dominant big man in the game.

Nominate: B.Lopez
#5 in PER, #1 in points in the paint, #1 in scoring among centers, #7 in blocks, all in under 30mpg at age 24.

[Drax]

V: Ibaka
N: MKG

[shrink]

V: Kobe
N: Lin

Teams wouldn't trade guys 16-25 for Kobe. Lakers wouldn't trade guys 6-15 for him. He makes them too much money off the court, in the valuation of the franchise, rights to local distributorships, and sponsors. Ditto for Lin at 26-35, 16-25

We all see Trade Value differently. But to the economist in me, trade value can't be only about what a team would buy for, it needs an equal component of what a team would sell for.

[HartfordWhalers]

V: Kobe
N: Lin

Teams wouldn't trade guys 16-25 for Kobe. Lakers wouldn't trade guys 6-15 for him. He makes them too much money off the court, in the valuation of the franchise, rights to local distributorships, and sponsors. Ditto for Lin at 26-35, 16-25

We all see Trade Value differently. But to the economist in me, trade value can't be only about what a team would buy for, it needs an equal component of what a team would sell for.

Ignoring Kobe where I think you make a good point, but you really think the Rockets wouldn;t trade Lin for any of these players?

Lopez - 4
Bosh - 4
Lee - 1
Wall - 1
Monroe - 2
Duncan - 1
MKG - 2
Favors - 1


(Okay, please ignore Lee )


Edit: Woops. Those are guys 25-35.

You think Houston wouldn't swap Lin for Rubio? For Dwight (even unsigned)? For Deron Williams? Drummond? For Paul George? Jrue?

[Texas Chuck]

We all see Trade Value differently. But to the economist in me, trade value can't be only about what a team would buy for, it needs an equal component of what a team would sell for.

I agree that selling price should be a factor. Strongly disagree it should be anywhere near an equal component.

[Dr Positivity]

Vote Deron Williams

Nominate Derrick Favors

[re49gb_2gho32fp]

V: Drummond, Andre

N: Parker, Tony

[deNIEd]

V: Kobe
N: Lin

Teams wouldn't trade guys 16-25 for Kobe. Lakers wouldn't trade guys 6-15 for him. He makes them too much money off the court, in the valuation of the franchise, rights to local distributorships, and sponsors. Ditto for Lin at 26-35, 16-25

We all see Trade Value differently. But to the economist in me, trade value can't be only about what a team would buy for, it needs an equal component of what a team would sell for.

If the money made off the court is such a huge factor in making decisions, why doesn't Yao Ming still have a job in the NBA? Basically pay him $20 million to on the roster in name only. His name and fanbase size would still generate unthinkable amounts of money. In addition, guys like Tim Duncan (even in his prime) would have a lower value than say Vince Carter? Because Vince Carter would sell more jerseys, increase the valuation of the franchise, sponsorships, etc.?


You can't just view it as what would it take for the Lakers to trade away Kobe. There are too many emotions and history for a move like that to be simply about fair value. Would the Spurs trade Duncan? Would Celtics trade Pierce? Especially for a deal that isn't a home-run but simply equal or slightly above equal value? And at their given age and especially given their contract size, no one is going to overpay for Kobe.

Kobe even said multiple times (before this summer's moves) that he was going to retire in 2014. If that's the case, what is better to a franchise. Having a Lillard for the next decade. Or having Kobe for 1.5 years.

[Ian Kognitow]

Vote: Serge Ibaka
Nominate: Nikola Vucevic

[DeBlazerRiddem]

V: Drummond
N: Vucevic

[Sasaki]

V: Kobe
N: Duncan.

I'm definitely going to take a moment to oppose the Drummond nom, which I really don't like and view as the 2nd worst choice behind Rubio. Yes, Drummond has played well. But I think these claims of "next Dwight Howard" are far, far, far too premature. We have seen far too many extremely young big men play well in limited reserves, have people go "Oh, that's the next superstar"... and then they turn out okay. Or good, just not a superstar. Favors hasn't even been nominated yet, but last year he probably would have been voted in by now. Same with McGee, or DeAndre.

If Drummond continues to improve like everyone thinks he should, I could see voting for him next year. But to take him over established superstars or All-Stars to me is something that doesn't make sense. There's only so much that "potential" can be valued over actual winning talent.

[WizardsWorld]

KOBE

WALL

[cdel00]

Drummond

Nom. Faried, MKG