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Poll: More Trade Value: Dudley/Ellis

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More Trade Value

Dudley (by a lot)
9
21%
Dudley (by a little)
9
21%
Even
5
12%
Ellis (by a little)
9
21%
Ellis (by a lot)
10
24%
 
Total votes : 42

Post#16 Re: Poll: More Trade Value: Dudley/Ellis
Fri Jan 18, 2013 9:34 pm by AussieBuck

Dudley likely has some value to a bunch of smart teams, Ellis has a bunch of value to a small amount of dumb teams.
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Post#17 Re: Poll: More Trade Value: Dudley/Ellis
Fri Jan 18, 2013 9:51 pm by nykballa2k4

Baddy Chuck wrote:Ellis has more value but at that price he will have a lot less "buyers" then Dudley at his cheaper price. Like if you wanted to play the "what draft pick are they worth" game, I think Ellis nets you a higher pick (10-15ish?) but there might be only one or two teams willing to offer that. Dudley may be a 15-25ish pick but there would probably be 5-10 teams willing to pay that price.


IMO something close to this. Ellis has the ability to be that 2nd or 3rd "star" on a team. These days, that means a lot.

For example, you take a team that plays good defense, like the Pacers and add on Ellis, while their defense suffers slightly, they now have a guy who they can count on for 20 ppg.

Dudley is a good piece for a team that needs an additional "depth" or a functional piece of a starting 5. Lakers would love to bring him off the bench.

The thing is also this: Dudley has a long contract, and while useful, is viewed as a "role player" Ellis is still in his "prime" and has been considered for all-star teams. Dudley has always been a functional rotation player.

So "more trade value" is handily Ellis in my opinion.
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Post#18 Re: Poll: More Trade Value: Dudley/Ellis
Fri Jan 18, 2013 10:36 pm by nevetsov

The few teams that are in a position to "buy" Ellis are mostly lame duck teams with enough capspace this offseason to sign him outright anyway. So I doubt any of them would give up a lottery pick to secure him for the next 13 or so weeks.

Dudley is on a long term contract, at about $4-5m per. Given that his production far outweighs s contract, I cannot see how the duration of his deal detracts from his value at all.
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Post#19 Re: Poll: More Trade Value: Dudley/Ellis
Sat Jan 19, 2013 1:00 am by Sun Scorched

Ellis is a free agent this offseason. No one is giving anything of value for him.

He's essentially slightly more valuable than an expiring contract.
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Post#20 Re: Poll: More Trade Value: Dudley/Ellis
Sat Jan 19, 2013 1:30 am by mlloyd10

Sun Scorched wrote:Ellis is a free agent this offseason. No one is giving anything of value for him.

He's essentially slightly more valuable than an expiring contract.



PO not exactly a UFA
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Post#21 Re: Poll: More Trade Value: Dudley/Ellis
Sat Jan 19, 2013 1:36 am by Kerrsed

mlloyd10 wrote:
Sun Scorched wrote:Ellis is a free agent this offseason. No one is giving anything of value for him.

He's essentially slightly more valuable than an expiring contract.



PO not exactly a UFA


Thats kind of the same thing for most teams. So he can pretty much only be traded to a team he wants to play for, unless a team wants to use him as a $11M expiring, but in that case they still wont be giving up anything of value for him.
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Post#22 Re: Poll: More Trade Value: Dudley/Ellis
Sat Jan 19, 2013 3:06 am by FireNellieQuick

I'd say Dudley by a lot right now.

Monta desperately needs to hit FA and get a much needed reality check... Odds are he won't get it, and some desperate team will overpay him, make him a #1/#2 option, and the cycle of suck will start anew..

Dudley OTOH you can plug into most lineups as a fringe starter or 20mpg player, and he'll do pretty well.
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