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Dudley likely has some value to a bunch of smart teams, Ellis has a bunch of value to a small amount of dumb teams.

Baddy Chuck wrote:Ellis has more value but at that price he will have a lot less "buyers" then Dudley at his cheaper price. Like if you wanted to play the "what draft pick are they worth" game, I think Ellis nets you a higher pick (10-15ish?) but there might be only one or two teams willing to offer that. Dudley may be a 15-25ish pick but there would probably be 5-10 teams willing to pay that price.

IMO something close to this. Ellis has the ability to be that 2nd or 3rd "star" on a team. These days, that means a lot.

For example, you take a team that plays good defense, like the Pacers and add on Ellis, while their defense suffers slightly, they now have a guy who they can count on for 20 ppg.

Dudley is a good piece for a team that needs an additional "depth" or a functional piece of a starting 5. Lakers would love to bring him off the bench.

The thing is also this: Dudley has a long contract, and while useful, is viewed as a "role player" Ellis is still in his "prime" and has been considered for all-star teams. Dudley has always been a functional rotation player.

So "more trade value" is handily Ellis in my opinion.

The few teams that are in a position to "buy" Ellis are mostly lame duck teams with enough capspace this offseason to sign him outright anyway. So I doubt any of them would give up a lottery pick to secure him for the next 13 or so weeks.

Dudley is on a long term contract, at about $4-5m per. Given that his production far outweighs s contract, I cannot see how the duration of his deal detracts from his value at all.

Ellis is a free agent this offseason. No one is giving anything of value for him.

He's essentially slightly more valuable than an expiring contract.

Sun Scorched wrote:Ellis is a free agent this offseason. No one is giving anything of value for him.

He's essentially slightly more valuable than an expiring contract.

PO not exactly a UFA

mlloyd10 wrote:

Sun Scorched wrote:Ellis is a free agent this offseason. No one is giving anything of value for him.

He's essentially slightly more valuable than an expiring contract.

PO not exactly a UFA

Thats kind of the same thing for most teams. So he can pretty much only be traded to a team he wants to play for, unless a team wants to use him as a $11M expiring, but in that case they still wont be giving up anything of value for him.

I'd say Dudley by a lot right now.

Monta desperately needs to hit FA and get a much needed reality check... Odds are he won't get it, and some desperate team will overpay him, make him a #1/#2 option, and the cycle of suck will start anew..

Dudley OTOH you can plug into most lineups as a fringe starter or 20mpg player, and he'll do pretty well.