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Wanna trade Josh Smith? HOU!
Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 6:37 am
by parson
The deal is Josh Smith to Houston for Omer Asik, Marcus Morris and Royce White.
ATL gets the true Center they need and stops asking if they can figure out how to use Smith. Asik helps the team make sense.
HOU, which is fading a bit lately, ends up in the lottery, since they'll have no Center. They dump 2 salaries (their 2nd and 6th-best PFs) that would get in the way of a max FA this offseason and become the frontrunners for Dwight Howard. Next season, they begin with Lin/Harden/Parsons/Smith/Howard AND a lottery player.
If HOU really wants Dwight Howard, they're prepared to trade Asik, anyway.
Re: Wanna trade Josh Smith? HOU!
Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 7:05 am
by N.O.R.E.
The only way Houston considers this is if they talk to Dwight's people and confirm his interest in playing alongside Harden and Josh Smith. PG could be addressed using Lin, their lotto pick and other young assets in a trade.
The Rox would be able to build a potential dynasty fairly quickly...
On the other hand, I see the Hawks doing this deal only if they talk to Dwight's people and realise there's no way he's coming home to play alongside Josh Smith. I think this is a pretty damn good package for Josh Smith and would give the Hawks plenty of flexibility to make further moves.
Re: Wanna trade Josh Smith? HOU!
Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 7:25 am
by Br0ken_Sp0ke
No thanks. You're saying it like it's a done deal that Dwight would choose the Rockets if we had Smith, but really it's far from a sure thing. The Rockets can just take a shot at Dwight this summer the way things are...And if by some crazy chance he agrees to sign here, THEN we could proceed to trade Asik for a PF upgrade.
You're more than welcome to have Royce though.
Re: Wanna trade Josh Smith? HOU!
Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 7:34 am
by zapatasblood
Want nothing to do with Smith
Re: Wanna trade Josh Smith? HOU!
Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 3:14 pm
by pja123
How about this variation...
Rockets get:
Josh Smith
Timofey Mozgov
Mike Scott
Hawks get:
Omer Asik
Marcus Morris
Donatas Montajeunas
Nuggets get:
Anthony Morrow
Re: Wanna trade Josh Smith? HOU!
Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 3:41 pm
by branny
Br0ken_Sp0ke wrote:No thanks. You're saying it like it's a done deal that Dwight would choose the Rockets if we had Smith, but really it's far from a sure thing. The Rockets can just take a shot at Dwight this summer the way things are...And if by some crazy chance he agrees to sign here, THEN we could proceed to trade Asik for a PF upgrade.
You're more than welcome to have Royce though.
That's a much safer way
Re: Wanna trade Josh Smith? HOU!
Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 3:53 pm
by Texas Chuck
I cant imagine Houston trading Asik under any circumstances this season. Completely agree that if they reach a deal with Dwight that they would have absolutely no trouble moving him for good return. They could even potentially deal him to Atl in a S&T for Smith this offseason but I dont love the fit of those two together nor would I like the idea of essentially letting Dwight play GM.
I think people way overrate friendship in FA. Someone went so far yesterday as to suggest Boston trade Rondo for Conley so Boston would have an edge in signing Greg Oden.
Re: Wanna trade Josh Smith? HOU!
Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 4:06 pm
by torotoe
I love it for ATL, not too hot on this for Houston. If it helps em land dwight that's good.
Re: Wanna trade Josh Smith? HOU!
Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 6:13 pm
by zapatasblood
pja123 wrote:How about this variation...
Rockets get:
Josh Smith
Timofey Mozgov
Mike Scott
Hawks get:
Omer Asik
Marcus Morris
Donatas Montajeunas
Nuggets get:
Anthony Morrow
zapatasblood wrote:Want nothing to do with Smith
Re: Wanna trade Josh Smith? HOU!
Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 6:42 pm
by BigLurch92
Smith doesn't get you Asik. Especially since he is a free agent at the end of the year.
His trade value isn't this high IMO.
Re: Wanna trade Josh Smith? HOU!
Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 9:23 pm
by x-
Br0ken_Sp0ke wrote:No thanks. You're saying it like it's a done deal that Dwight would choose the Rockets if we had Smith, but really it's far from a sure thing. The Rockets can just take a shot at Dwight this summer the way things are...And if by some crazy chance he agrees to sign here, THEN we could proceed to trade Asik for a PF upgrade.
You're more than welcome to have Royce though.
This.
zapatasblood wrote:Want nothing to do with Smith
And this.
Re: Wanna trade Josh Smith? HOU!
Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 11:37 pm
by parson
BigLurch92 wrote:Smith doesn't get you Asik. Especially since he is a free agent at the end of the year.
His trade value isn't this high IMO.
How high will Asik's trade value be if you sign Dwight Howard? Teams will know you'll have to trade him, since he'll be headed for a $15 million payout, which is a ton for a bench guy who'll would only play 10-15 minutes/game.
Re: Wanna trade Josh Smith? HOU!
Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 12:54 am
by Golabki
N.O.R.E. wrote:The only way Houston considers this is if they talk to Dwight's people and confirm his interest in playing alongside Harden and Josh Smith. PG could be addressed using Lin, their lotto pick and other young assets in a trade.
The Rox would be able to build a potential dynasty fairly quickly...
I agree, value wise it doesn't make sense for Houston unless there is a clear plan to get Dwight. But, it seems like if that's the plan they may as well keep Asik for a Dwight S/T and sign Smith outright.
Re: Wanna trade Josh Smith? HOU!
Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 1:34 am
by phx#7
parson wrote:BigLurch92 wrote:Smith doesn't get you Asik. Especially since he is a free agent at the end of the year.
His trade value isn't this high IMO.
How high will Asik's trade value be if you sign Dwight Howard? Teams will know you'll have to trade him, since he'll be headed for a $15 million payout, which is a ton for a bench guy who'll would only play 10-15 minutes/game.
The number of teams who'd want Asik won't diminish if the Rockets sign Howard so it really wouldn't effect his trade value.
Re: Wanna trade Josh Smith? HOU!
Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 1:46 am
by BigLurch92
The whole premise of this trade is questionable. Without a guarantee from Dwight and Josh to resigning they don't do it.
Re: Wanna trade Josh Smith? HOU!
Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 2:49 am
by Trader_Joe
I remember being told adamantly by the OP that Smith wasn't going anywhere last summer/early this season, despite me and many people doubting his long term future on the team.
It seems your unrealistic expectations for a trade package haven't changed much from when you asked for
Brook Lopez, MarShon Brooks and 2 #1.
Again.. he in an unrestricted FA that will want a Max contract. He is also starting to show his true colors again with the recent suspension and subsequent meeting between his agent and Ferry.
Most on Real GM said he is worth an expirer and a mid 1st back in August
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1203026Not sure much has changed.
Re: Wanna trade Josh Smith? HOU!
Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 3:52 am
by parson
Trader_Joe wrote:I remember being told adamantly by the OP that Smith wasn't going anywhere last summer/early this season, despite me and many people doubting his long term future on the team.
It seems your unrealistic expectations for a trade package haven't changed much from when you asked for
Brook Lopez, MarShon Brooks and 2 #1.
Again.. he in an unrestricted FA that will want a Max contract. He is also starting to show his true colors again with the recent suspension and subsequent meeting between his agent and Ferry.
Most on Real GM said he is worth an expirer and a mid 1st back in August
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1203026Not sure much has changed.
Don't remind me of my posts if you won't admit to saying Joe Johnson couldn't be traded because no one would take his deal. You said he was aging, falling apart and his game was dropping. Then, you denied ever saying that when your team traded expirings (very valuable nowadays) for him. You made us a major player for FAs with that one trade.
Yes, I said Smith was not planning on being traded earlier. I don't think he was - or is. I think he's trying to blackmail the team to make changes to suit him - "Please me or forget your hopes of getting _______ to sign with you." With the recent trade whispers, I think Ferry is throwing it back at him. If you'll think about it, trading Smith for expirings and a blah 1st is a poor surrender when it means you're giving up on certain major FAs. We're better off waiting him out and trying to keep him. That hasn't changed. I still think Ferry wanted to use Smith to attract Dwight Howard. In the NBA, you're either a major team or you're nothing. We might as well swing for the fences.
However, I have - for years - said we'd trade him for a true Center. That's never changed, either.
And don't bother to tell me what "most" on RealGM say: you should know this site is filled with people who want to fleece the other team. EVERY time a rumor of a player leaving come up, tons of threads pop up, each one saying, "You have to trade ____ to us for this pitiful offer or LOSE HIM FOR NOTHING WHEN HE WALKS." There should be a stickied thread just for those offers.
Re: Wanna trade Josh Smith? HOU!
Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 3:57 am
by parson
Since when does 39% mean "most?"
Re: Wanna trade Josh Smith? HOU!
Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 4:12 am
by Trader_Joe
parson wrote:Since when does 39% mean "most?"
Sorry, it was the most common vote.
And I've asked you in the past to provide where I said that about JJ and don't think you ever did. Is he one of the worst contracts? Yes. But he's still a top 5 or so SG that the Nets traded for with Farmar who was bought out, Jordan Williams who was bought out, Stevenson who was a minimum salary player last season even after winning a title with the Mavs, Morrow who is a very limited player getting limited minutes, Petro who was our worst player, and a lotto protected pick we were gifted by Houston for Terrance Williams. In other words junk.
So...Do you think Smith will be on the Hawks next season?
And do you really think Houston would offer you that package? Or Lopez, brooks and 2 firsts from Brooklyn?
Also...if I did call JJ untradbale....just seeing Hedo, Lewis and others traded clearly it can happen and clearly I was wrong...if I did. And, I doubt I vehemently and angrily argued ..if I did. The only reason I remember your statement so clearly was because of the downright anger laden and defensive exchanges. What seemed like a fairly reasonable prediction that Atlanta was not part of Smith's future was dismissed in such a way that I have no problem bringing it up now.
Re: Wanna trade Josh Smith? HOU!
Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 4:50 am
by inquisitive
lol....rockets would rather trade for larry sanders and convert him to PF then getting Smith in a trade...he is free agent anyway