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Re: Blazers acquires an entire bench from the Suns 

Post#31 » by N.O.R.E. » Tue Jan 22, 2013 4:44 am

^I don't particularly like you or agree with you very often, but you're right, Blazers fans are impossible.
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Post#32 » by phx#7 » Tue Jan 22, 2013 5:00 am

Hard to blame Blazer fans for not wanting to give up a tangible asset for a questionable asset and a bunch of guys that likely won't be on the team next year. As a Suns fan I'd rather roll the dice on the MIN pick as there appears to be a reasonable chance that it's a mid first in 2014 which I'd prefer over Leonard.
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Re: Blazers acquires an entire bench from the Suns 

Post#33 » by DusterBuster » Tue Jan 22, 2013 5:13 am

phx#7 wrote:Hard to blame Blazer fans for not wanting to give up a tangible asset for a questionable asset and a bunch of guys that likely won't be on the team next year. As a Suns fan I'd rather roll the dice on the MIN pick as there appears to be a reasonable chance that it's a mid first in 2014 which I'd prefer over Leonard.


Apparently it's not hard to do as many non-Blazer fans seem to be doing it without question.
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Re: Blazers acquires an entire bench from the Suns 

Post#34 » by I_Socrates » Tue Jan 22, 2013 5:31 am

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phx#7 wrote:Hard to blame Blazer fans for not wanting to give up a tangible asset for a questionable asset and a bunch of guys that likely won't be on the team next year. As a Suns fan I'd rather roll the dice on the MIN pick as there appears to be a reasonable chance that it's a mid first in 2014 which I'd prefer over Leonard.


Apparently it's not hard to do as many non-Blazer fans seem to be doing it without question.


Leonard is a tangible asset? Since when? Do we all of a sudden know what he's going to be? If so, why is Portland in the market for another big (considering he's tangible and we know how good he is or how valuable he is)? Problem is, he's not a tangible asset at all. It's so intangible that not even Portland fans nor their FO know how valuable he can be in the future; they can CLAIM to know, but they don't. With that said, you can't possibly claim that he's worth more than a mid-first round pick, which is only a few spots lower than he was actually picked anyways! Add in the fact that the Blazers manage to nab 3 QUALITY role players that they desperately lack along with that pick, and it's far from terrible value for Leonard.

Blazers fans will cry foul and claim it's not worth it, but it's not that terrible, and in fact, the Suns would be the one's not accepting it because there's absolutely no reason to. As I said before, our best player happens to already play the position that Leonard does, so Leonard would have a hard time seeing minutes with us. Add in the fact that he's probably not much better than Robin Lopez, who we recently decided to part ways with, and it's really a non-starter. No way does a team trade 3 good contributing players AND a pick in return for a B-rate prospect, at best.

Leonard is young, big and athletic, but there are at least 30 other young, athletic bigs I would rather have than Meyers and they wouldn't cost our whole bench and a first.
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Re: Blazers acquires an entire bench from the Suns 

Post#35 » by phx#7 » Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:02 am

I_Socrates wrote:
Leonard is a tangible asset? Since when?


Since he was drafted. It doesn't really matter what your personal view of his value is the fact remains he is a real player that Blazers fans can see and watch develop who showed promise in SL. He's not some mystery player they may be able to draft in the next 3 years with a pick that converts to 2 2nd round picks if not collected by then.

Personally I'd prefer the MIN pick, but it's perfectly reasonable for Blazer fans to prefer the guy they just drafted.
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Re: Blazers acquires an entire bench from the Suns 

Post#36 » by DeBlazerRiddem » Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:38 am

I_Socrates wrote:Leonard is young, big and athletic, but there are at least 30 other young, athletic bigs I would rather have than Meyers and they wouldn't cost our whole bench and a first.


I would be curious to hear that list.
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Re: Blazers acquires an entire bench from the Suns 

Post#37 » by Dame Lizard » Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:10 am

I_Socrates wrote:
Leonard is young, big and athletic, but there are at least 30 other young, athletic bigs I would rather have than Meyers and they wouldn't cost our whole bench and a first.


I'd like to see you list a 7 foot 1 freak athlete who can shoot 85% from the free throw line.

And for the record I don't think Meyers will become a superstar. But I see him as a very solid 13 points, 9 rebounds, 2 blocks kind of starter in the future.
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Post#38 » by RoyalWun » Tue Jan 22, 2013 1:19 pm

Why do people cry because most fans of a team dislike trades being thrown at them?

If they don't like the trade, so what? Move on. Or think of something better.
Portland:

D. Lillard | S. Blake
W. Matthews | A. Afflalo | A. Crabbe | C. McCollum
N. Batum | D. Wright | A. Gee
L. Aldridge | M. Leonard
R. Lopez | C. Kaman | J. Freeland
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Re: Blazers acquires an entire bench from the Suns 

Post#39 » by Jack wore plaid » Tue Jan 22, 2013 2:48 pm

I think Phoenix and Portland could be good trading partners, but Gortat probably needs to be involved somehow?

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=a6uwly7

Portland also sends a future protected 1st.
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Re: Blazers acquires an entire bench from the Suns 

Post#40 » by Golabki » Tue Jan 22, 2013 3:14 pm

I_Socrates wrote:Leonard is young, big and athletic, but there are at least 30 other young, athletic bigs I would rather have than Meyers and they wouldn't cost our whole bench and a first.

Please stop saying "our whole bench" like you are giving some major value. The most valuable piece offered to Portland, BY FAR, is the protected Minny pick. The deal is basically, Minny pick + some minor junk for Lenord.

Now, if your pessimistic on Lenoard and you think he is worth less than a pick in the 15-20 range (in 2014 or whenever the pick conveys)... that's a reasonable position. I don't agree, about that's reasonable. Lenoard was drafted as a project, he still looks like he's more athlete than basketball player, and it's fair to say that there's a good chance he never becomes a good NBA player.

The reality is that it's very rare to see a lotto pick traded during his rookie year unless it's for a major "win now" asset. This trade would be an admission, by Portland, that they made a bad pick. There's not enough evidence to force Portland to do that yet. This deal just does not make any sense from Portland's view.
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Re: Blazers acquires an entire bench from the Suns 

Post#41 » by The59Sound » Tue Jan 22, 2013 3:18 pm

Always enjoy these threads, as you know exactly how they'll go in advance:

1) Fan of Team A offers bad trade for talented young player with potential.
2) Fan of Team B says, "That's really not very good value..."
3) Fan of Team A runs down the player he wanted his team to acquire.

Anyway, this is a terrible trade for Portland. Even if they're in "win now" mode, which they're not, this trade wouldn't move the needle that much. The "our entire bench" mantra doesn't mean much when the players are average/low potential or old.
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Re: Blazers acquires an entire bench from the Suns 

Post#42 » by Golabki » Tue Jan 22, 2013 3:22 pm

What about:

J. O'Neal + Pho 2nd rounder
...to Boston for...
Fab Melo

Phoenix gets a poor man's Lenoard.

Boston gets immediate help at center from a guy who knows their system.
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Re: Blazers acquires an entire bench from the Suns 

Post#43 » by zapatasblood » Tue Jan 22, 2013 3:39 pm

Portland needs a bench then I think the Rockets can help with that. We have a Pf or 2 that needs to be move and Toney Douglas for what ever expiring and a first(protected)
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Re: Blazers acquires an entire bench from the Suns 

Post#44 » by DusterBuster » Tue Jan 22, 2013 5:26 pm

phx#7 wrote:
I_Socrates wrote:
Leonard is a tangible asset? Since when?


Since he was drafted. It doesn't really matter what your personal view of his value is the fact remains he is a real player that Blazers fans can see and watch develop who showed promise in SL. He's not some mystery player they may be able to draft in the next 3 years with a pick that converts to 2 2nd round picks if not collected by then.

Personally I'd prefer the MIN pick, but it's perfectly reasonable for Blazer fans to prefer the guy they just drafted.


Thank you for being level headed about this phx#7, when so many of your fellow Suns fans have not.

RoyalWun wrote:Why do people cry because most fans of a team dislike trades being thrown at them?


That's par for the course with N.O.R.E. He does that all the time. It's incredibly difficult to make a deal that every fan will like as there's a number of fans of each team, and each of those fans have different opinions on trades. As much as he'd like to deny it, there has been times he's made good trades, he just chooses to instead focus on the large amount of trades he made that aren't good and he was called out for it being such. Instead of just accepting peoples opinions as just that, opinion, he gets all bent out of shape over it as though they're a personal slight toward him. He's certainly not the only person who does that, but he's one of the most prolific with this type of schtick.

Post your idea, explain why, then if you feel the need to make a more detailed explanation of why you think it works. If nobody still likes the idea, you scrap it and move on, not get your panties in a bind over it.

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I_Socrates wrote:Leonard is young, big and athletic, but there are at least 30 other young, athletic bigs I would rather have than Meyers and they wouldn't cost our whole bench and a first.

Please stop saying "our whole bench" like you are giving some major value. The most valuable piece offered to Portland, BY FAR, is the protected Minny pick. The deal is basically, Minny pick + some minor junk for Lenord.


Exactly. I'm not sure why some Suns fans are talking about their bench like it's amazing. The bench players we're talking about here are coming from one of the worst teams in the NBA. That's not saying a whole lot about the caliber of player coming to Portland. As you said Golabki, the best asset coming to Portland is that pick, and for me personally, I'd rather have Meyers than the unknown of the pick.

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2) Fan of Team B says, "That's really not very good value..."
3) Fan of Team A runs down the player he wanted his team to acquire.

Anyway, this is a terrible trade for Portland. Even if they're in "win now" mode, which they're not, this trade wouldn't move the needle that much. The "our entire bench" mantra doesn't mean much when the players are average/low potential or old.


Bingo.

zapatasblood wrote:Portland needs a bench then I think the Rockets can help with that. We have a Pf or 2 that needs to be move and Toney Douglas for what ever expiring and a first(protected)


Unless you want a 2018 first round pick, the Blazers don't have one to trade.

Also, if one of those PF's you're talking about is Royce White, you might as well just take him out of the discussion right away. He's not zero value in the NBA, possibly negative value right now when you consider the major headache he is.
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Re: Blazers acquires an entire bench from the Suns 

Post#45 » by sisibilio » Tue Jan 22, 2013 5:37 pm

hcsilla wrote:
Village Idiot wrote:I'd be willing to give up Leonard to Phoenix but only if Gortat is coming back.


Almost a complete bench and a future 1st rounder isn't enough for Leonard?

A crappy bench and a mid to late first? nope.
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Re: Blazers acquires an entire bench from the Suns 

Post#46 » by I_Socrates » Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:01 pm

The59Sound wrote:Always enjoy these threads, as you know exactly how they'll go in advance:

1) Fan of Team A offers bad trade for talented young player with potential.
2) Fan of Team B says, "That's really not very good value..."
3) Fan of Team A runs down the player he wanted his team to acquire.

Anyway, this is a terrible trade for Portland. Even if they're in "win now" mode, which they're not, this trade wouldn't move the needle that much. The "our entire bench" mantra doesn't mean much when the players are average/low potential or old.


I believe it was a Portland fan who made this thread, but I'm not sure. With that said, it's not bad value so keep on preaching brother, no one's listening. Only Blazers fans are claiming this is terrible value wise, everyone else see's that it's not. If those bench players are trash, then why would they be a good addition to the Blazers bench? You clearly have better bench players, right? Keep them, and enjoy Leonard.
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Re: Blazers acquires an entire bench from the Suns 

Post#47 » by hcsilla » Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:05 pm

sisibilio wrote:
hcsilla wrote:
Village Idiot wrote:I'd be willing to give up Leonard to Phoenix but only if Gortat is coming back.


Almost a complete bench and a future 1st rounder isn't enough for Leonard?

A crappy bench and a mid to late first? nope.


Yeah, a late 1st rounder. Minnesota is going to win the West very soon.
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Re: Blazers acquires an entire bench from the Suns 

Post#48 » by sisibilio » Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:12 pm

No, but they'll make the playoffs in 2014 unless they suffer another historical barrage of injuries.
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Re: Blazers acquires an entire bench from the Suns 

Post#49 » by hcsilla » Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:25 pm

sisibilio wrote:No, but they'll make the playoffs in 2014 unless they suffer another historical barrage of injuries.


Sure they will. No doubt about that. You know better than everyone else. You have already made a deal with Adam Silver. And BTW if they make the play-off it definitely means that their pick is a late 1st rounder.

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Re: Blazers acquires an entire bench from the Suns 

Post#50 » by sisibilio » Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:29 pm

Yea, you suck at logic, and sarcasm.
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