I_Socrates wrote:Blazers fans are being homers, as expected, but don't worry, no one is calling them offering any picks for Leonard anyways, so it's no problem.
As someone who is not a fan of either team I think the Portland fans position is basically correct (the Lenord > a heavily protected Minny pick, and Phoenix bench is worth ~0).
As I said, I understand someone not liking Leonard. That's a totally defensible position. I don't understand someone thinking Shannon Brown is worth anything more than a mid-late second rounder.
Then that would be your opinion, because no where have I said that Shannon Brown or any one on our bench is extremely valuable and would end up in us getting a good deal. What I did say was that Leonard is NOT worth much more than a mid first round pick, which is EXACTLY what that pick will be.
If you look at how I come to that conclusion, you'd understand it:
-Since the Minny pick is protected top 13 in 2013 and 2014, the chance that it is conveyed THIS year is almost none, as they are most certainly missing the playoffs and the chance that they finish 14th is very low.
-Since Memphis is certainly making the playoffs, Minnesota would get their pick this year. That DOES NOT mean that it is conveyed to the Suns, the Suns will ONLY receive the lesser pick if both the Minnesota and Memphis picks were to be conveyed in the SAME year.
-Therefore, Memphis' 2013 OWN first rounder will be conveyed TO Minnesota this year, and not to the Suns.
- That leaves simply a top 13 protected Minny 2014 first that goes down to top 12 protection for 2015, 2016 and thereafter is 2 seconds.
Minnesota certainly looks like a team that will make the playoffs as the 6th-8th seed either next season, or the one after. Even if they miss as the last team to be out of the chase, that's still the 14th pick that would be conveyed in 2014 by Minny.
SO, with that being said, Leonard is NOT worth a mid first round pick AND 3 quality rotational players, especially not for the Suns, who as I've said numerous times before have their best player already playing the position Leonard plays. This is such a non-starter for the Suns, I don't even know why people are acting like it's the Blazers that are getting ripped off.
In fact, they're not. They're getting a guaranteed mid-first, along with 3 players that will help them NOW, something they clearly have admitted they need. Yes, it means they admit that their pick was flawed, but it's better late than never to admit fault and move on. I'm not saying Leonard is a bust, nor am I saying Portland should trade him, but to act like that should be the reasoning for them declining this trade is ludicrous. Value wise, this deal is NOT bad for the Blazers AT ALL, unless of course you're delusional and believe that Leonard will be a franchise center in the future, in which case, I'd like to sell you the Eiffell Tower.
PS. When I'm saying you, it's not towards the person I quoted, it's for anyone who has those opinions/thoughts/feelings.