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Post#16 Re: Biggest Surprise Not traded?
Thu Feb 21, 2013 5:59 pm by DusterBuster

Sun Scorched wrote:I don't understand the whole "Hawks weren't getting the value they wanted" nonsense.


How exactly is it "nonsense"? If they would have gotten the value they wanted for him, Smith wouldn't still be in Atlanta right now. He is, so obviously no one offered Atlanta they value they wanted to pull the trigger on a deal. Pretty basic logic here.......
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Post#17 Re: Biggest Surprise Not traded?
Thu Feb 21, 2013 6:06 pm by Guy986

Utah didn't move any of their bigs??
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Post#18 Re: Biggest Surprise Not traded?
Thu Feb 21, 2013 6:14 pm by DusterBuster

Guy986 wrote:Utah didn't move any of their bigs??


they didn't move anything.
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Post#19 Re: Biggest Surprise Not traded?
Thu Feb 21, 2013 6:42 pm by Lindecision

DusterBuster wrote:I think people were dooped by all the talk surrounding Smith. It was pretty clear the Hawks were never going to get the value they wanted for him.


perhaps Atlanta can get value (and the C they want) in a S&T for Asik + filler... could that be their line of thinking?

this does depend on Houston signing Dwight as a free agent though, Josh would then be willing to sign for less money

then by dealing Asik's salary Houston would have enough cap room to keep Parsons long term, actually i'm only presuming they have enough cap room
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Post#20 Re: Biggest Surprise Not traded?
Thu Feb 21, 2013 6:44 pm by theatlfan

Sun Scorched wrote:I don't understand the whole "Hawks weren't getting the value they wanted" nonsense.

Yeah, they aren't going to get Gortat + Dudley + 1st for him, but they could have gotten Gortat... Which is better than nothing.

What are they hoping for now? A S&T?
Nonsense is what you suggest though. In the NBA, it's better to be dreadful than mediocre, and one sure way to be mediocre is to trade better talent for less simply in the name of getting something. Do you honestly believe that CLE would have been better off today than if they had traded LeBron for a mid-tier starting C a few years ago?

Honestly, I've always figured this one would go to FA. I think our hope would be that we'd re-sign him to a reasonable deal once he sees the market, then SNT him. Failing those options, I'm not really sure what the next stage would be though. With the CBA the way it is, you can't really go on a full scale rebuilding effort since you have to carry a minimum salary or run into the same issues with those at the LT threshold. Should be interesting to see where this goes if this route is taken.
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Post#21 Re: Biggest Surprise Not traded?
Thu Feb 21, 2013 7:04 pm by Mr. E

Guy986 wrote:Utah didn't move any of their bigs??


That's the biggest surprise for me. I thought that they would have moved one.
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Post#22 Re: Biggest Surprise Not traded?
Thu Feb 21, 2013 7:17 pm by theatlfan

My biggest surprise was Mozgov not being traded. He's buried in DEN and I would have thought that there would have been a team willing to give up a useful part for a trial run on him.
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Post#23 Re: Biggest Surprise Not traded?
Thu Feb 21, 2013 7:19 pm by Ruckusmh

I'm a huge Jazz fan, but the fact that we have essentially the same pieces right now as we did the moment we traded Deron is atrocious. I don't understand the FO's obsession with becoming a treadmill team.
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Post#24 Re: Biggest Surprise Not traded?
Thu Feb 21, 2013 7:23 pm by bryanoid

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Post#25 Re: Biggest Surprise Not traded?
Thu Feb 21, 2013 7:29 pm by giberish

One of Milsap/Jefferson seemed certain to be dealt.

Josh Smith was more likely than either one individually.
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Post#26 Re: Biggest Surprise Not traded?
Thu Feb 21, 2013 7:37 pm by jazzfan1971

I totally expected Utah to keep Millsap and Jefferson. By my way of thinking both or either will have more value come summer when the Jazz can ship them out not as rentals but as players in a sign and trade.

I think the Jazz probably saw it that way as well.

Personally, I was surprised Boston didn't move one or both of KG or Pierce. Or even Rondo. Seems like the iron was hot on that one but they chose not to strike. When Boston gets run out in the first round I think Boston fans will look back on this as a missed opportunity. (no offense, Jazz are probably getting swept in the 1st round again)
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Post#27 Re: Biggest Surprise Not traded?
Thu Feb 21, 2013 7:42 pm by Guy986

jazzfan1971 wrote:I totally expected Utah to keep Millsap and Jefferson. By my way of thinking both or either will have more value come summer when the Jazz can ship them out not as rentals but as players in a sign and trade.

I think the Jazz probably saw it that way as well.

Personally, I was surprised Boston didn't move one or both of KG or Pierce. Or even Rondo. Seems like the iron was hot on that one but they chose not to strike. When Boston gets run out in the first round I think Boston fans will look back on this as a missed opportunity. (no offense, Jazz are probably getting swept in the 1st round again)


How will the Jazz get ANYTHING of value for a guy like Paul Milsap when there are 8+ teams in the league with 10 million or more in capspace.

Jazz will either match a 10 million a year contract for millsap or lose him. Theres no S&T. I think they just lost themselves an asset.
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Post#28 Re: Biggest Surprise Not traded?
Thu Feb 21, 2013 8:08 pm by Ruckusmh

Guy986 wrote:
jazzfan1971 wrote:I totally expected Utah to keep Millsap and Jefferson. By my way of thinking both or either will have more value come summer when the Jazz can ship them out not as rentals but as players in a sign and trade.

I think the Jazz probably saw it that way as well.

Personally, I was surprised Boston didn't move one or both of KG or Pierce. Or even Rondo. Seems like the iron was hot on that one but they chose not to strike. When Boston gets run out in the first round I think Boston fans will look back on this as a missed opportunity. (no offense, Jazz are probably getting swept in the 1st round again)


How will the Jazz get ANYTHING of value for a guy like Paul Milsap when there are 8+ teams in the league with 10 million or more in capspace.

Jazz will either match a 10 million a year contract for millsap or lose him. Theres no S&T. I think they just lost themselves an asset.


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Post#29 Re: Biggest Surprise Not traded?
Thu Feb 21, 2013 8:26 pm by loserX

Jazz fan here: not surprised at all. We wanted a young PG and obviously couldn't get one. We are a fringe playoff team, and trading a starter for crap probably puts us back in the weak part of the lottery.

So if all we were being was offered in return were picks in the 20s, it's not worth it. Playoff games are worth more than that.

The surprise to me is Rip. Chicago is paying a lot of money to keep him this year.
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Post#30 Re: Biggest Surprise Not traded?
Thu Feb 21, 2013 8:32 pm by franktony

I was surprised that we didn't move Dejuan Blair, but SAS asking price was probably too high.

Cannot complain. I'd rather keep him around as an injury insurance than trading him for a crap 2nd round pick.

I was way more surprised with SA's interest in Redick. To me it didn't make any sense.
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Post#31 Re: Biggest Surprise Not traded?
Thu Feb 21, 2013 8:38 pm by Lord_Zedd

Some of my biggest surprises:

- Chicago not making any moves for luxury tax purposes. Guess there's a first time for everything
- Josh Smith standing pat
- Mozgov staying
- Dejuan Blair staying

Some of my biggest no surprises were Utah standing pat and Toronto sticking with Bargnani. Utah can at least sign and trade with both their bigs and as for Bargnani, let's be honest here. Nobody in this trade board likes hearing that B word. Regardless, not surprising Bargnani has zero value outside of BC's bedroom
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Post#32 Re: Biggest Surprise Not traded?
Thu Feb 21, 2013 8:55 pm by CBA

Atlanta won't get anything of value for Josh Smith in the summer. Hawks fans should go ahead and deal with that right now.
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Post#33 Re: Biggest Surprise Not traded?
Thu Feb 21, 2013 9:06 pm by The Rebel

theatlfan wrote:My biggest surprise was Mozgov not being traded. He's buried in DEN and I would have thought that there would have been a team willing to give up a useful part for a trial run on him.


Nuggets would have been left with a problem of only having 2 guys who have the size to play center if they would have traded Mozgov, plus with the run they went on prior to the all star break, the Nuggets did not seem all that inclined to make a deal. People do not realize there is exactly one guy left on the team since prior to the Melo deal just 2 years ago.
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Post#34 Re: Biggest Surprise Not traded?
Thu Feb 21, 2013 9:11 pm by The Rebel

Personally my biggest surprise was not seeing the Hawks trade Smith, the rumors were out there that he was gone to the best offer regardless of what the final package for at least a week.
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Post#35 Re: Biggest Surprise Not traded?
Thu Feb 21, 2013 10:07 pm by AdonisDeMarion

deanwoof wrote:smith, milsap, jefferson first. then jameer nelson or al harrington NOT being packaged with redick. spurs not tinkering. and josh smith again.




:lol: too funny, but real talk Smith, Milsap or Jefferson all staying put...oh well

Nelson or Harrington being packaged with JJ would've been great to do, but the Magic front office sucks anyway
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