LAL-Favors/LAC-Howard/CHA-Griffin/UTH-#4

[busybluth22]

*Would be tricky since Howard is being s&t, and there would be a 13' draft pick involved, but if the teams agreed in principle to the deal, CHA could pick for UTH.


LAL in: Favors, Kidd-Gilchrist, Sessions, Williams
LAL out: Howard, Blake

Howard is leaving. Even with the report LAL would never trade Howard to LAC, I don't think LAL mgmt is going to stupidly lose him for nothing. That bit of leaked that info, only strengthens LAL's hand if they try to deal with LAC in the future. LAL should only be concerned about creating the brightest possible future for themselves, not whether they're elevating LAC to title contender status. You couldn't get anymore than Griffin + Bledsoe from Howard. However, Griffin's mediocre defense would not fit in well next to Gasol (who still has more value to LAL than ayone else, so why trade him). Gasol & LAL didn't have a problem scoring this year. It was their D/age/lack of depth, that did them in. Pau is a huge liability when asked to guard more mobile PFs, while a much lesser liability guarding Cs. Favors ability to guard both those positions would make him a great fit alongside Gasol (who should also be able to help Favors with his post game).

There were reports that LAL was enamored with Kidd-Gilchrist before last years draft, and his ability to impact games without controlling the ball would be welcome alongside Kobe & Nash. Sessions & Williams would both fill holes at PG & SF(especially since Peace will probably be amnestied) + they both expire leaving LAL's 2014 FA plans intact.


LAC in: Howard
LAC out: Griffin, Bledsoe

Howard was the biggest reason for LAL's decent run to end the regular season. His energy + effort greatly improved as he got healthier. Even if he doesn't return to his ORL form (top 3 talent), the Howard that we saw at the end of last season would provide a larger impact than Griffin, and would transform LAC into a truly scary team.


CHA in: Griffin, Blake, UTH 14' 2nd
CHA out: Kidd-Gilchrist, Gordon, Sessions, #4

Reports out of CHA are that they are interested in turning their draft pick into an impact player. Griffin would be a young exciting face of the franchise, that would generate interest & sell tickets.


UTH in: Bledsoe, Gordon, #4
UTH out: Favors, Williams, 14' 2nd

Bledsoe would be their PG of the future, while they could nab a wing like McLemore, Oladipo, or Porter, and then use their #14 on a high risk/high reward big like Adams, Nogueira, Mitchell, or Gobert. Resign one of Jefferson or Millsap and they'd have a very balanced lineup with potential for growth.

[ejftw]

I love it, all of these are so hilarious. Dwight, who is out the door except for an index finger, is somehow worth Derrick Favors, Micahel Kidd-Gilchrist and two decent role players. Right.

[Trader_Joe]

I love it, all of these are so hilarious. Dwight, who is out the door except for an index finger, is somehow worth Derrick Favors, Micahel Kidd-Gilchrist and two decent role players. Right.

Crazy thing is, I'm looking around to who would say no and having a hard time saying who would.

Clippers would do this IMO. It guarantees Paul stays and you have the best PG in the game paired with the best C.
Bobcats should consider this. I'm not overly high on MKG and the #4 this season is not a typical #4. Griffin improves their frontcourt from abysmal to respectable.
Jazz might be the most likely to say no, but they get their PGOTF, the #4 pick and a large expiring shooter.

It does look like the Lakers are making out way too well, but I can't see at whose expense.

[ejftw]

Clippers do. Dwight's attitude is far from what most want and Broussard's sauces are hardly anything that scares me.

It was reported that Blake + DJ for Anderson + Dwight was turned down, why would they all of a sudden add Bledsoe with no additional value coming back? Based off sauces?

[j_angel]

I love it, all of these are so hilarious. Dwight, who is out the door except for an index finger, is somehow worth Derrick Favors, Micahel Kidd-Gilchrist and two decent role players. Right.

Crazy thing is, I'm looking around to who would say no and having a hard time saying who would.

Clippers would do this IMO. It guarantees Paul stays and you have the best PG in the game paired with the best C.
Bobcats should consider this. I'm not overly high on MKG and the #4 this season is not a typical #4. Griffin improves their frontcourt from abysmal to respectable.
Jazz might be the most likely to say no, but they get their PGOTF, the #4 pick and a large expiring shooter.

It does look like the Lakers are making out way too well, but I can't see at whose expense.

Exactly what I was thinking.

- LAL obviously say yes.
- I dont think CHA would give up that much though. Surely they would want to keep MKG, he is their best asset. Maybe 4 + Sessions + other assets.
- LAC probably do it, especially if Paul makes threats etc etc.
- Bledsoe/4 for Favors is a pretty decent deal all around as well. Especially if Len or Noel is available at 4. Or Porter I guess.

Id tweak it though as Utah would likely want to keep Favors + CHA keep MKG.

LAL trade Howard for Milsap, Sessions, Pick 4, future 1st from CHA.
LAC trade Bledsoe, Blake for Howard.
CHA trade Sessions, Pick 4, future 1st for Blake.
UTAH trade Millsap for Bledsoe.

Something like that makes sense to me? LAL add a stretch 4 and a backup PG + decent assets in Pick 4 and a 1st.

[Trader_Joe]

Clippers do. Dwight's attitude is far from what most want and Broussard's sauces are hardly anything that scares me.

It was reported that Blake + DJ for Anderson + Dwight was turned down, why would they all of a sudden add Bledsoe with no additional value coming back? Based off sauces?

Clippers do?

Also I don't get your second point.
Blake and DJ for RA and Dwight was turned down, so why would they add more value?
Well, because their deal was turned down for starters.

[ejftw]

Yes, we do.

And I meant it was turned down by Sacks, so why would he add value now

[j_angel]

Yes, we do.

And I meant it was turned down by Sacks, so why would he add value now

What year was this trade made?

I ask because Jordan had more value before he signed his new deal and Anderson had a lot less value a couple of years ago. You cannot compare values of players now to when the trade was made.

Back in 2009/2010 for example Jordan probably had more value than Anderson. Since then Andersons value has improved dramatically (2012 MIP - he has just got better) and his new contract is favorable for his talent, conversely Jordans value has dipped and he hasnt progressed as expected.

EDIT: Also assume Blake had a little more value on a rookie deal. He is overpaid and due $100m now.

[ejftw]

Dwightmare era

[The59Sound]

Instantaneous "no" from the Jazz. We're not giving up Favors for Eric Bledsoe and a good pick in a bad draft.

[Trader_Joe]

Yes, we do.

And I meant it was turned down by Sacks, so why would he add value now

Wasn't sure if you meant they turn it down, or they do the deal.

They'd be insane to turn this down, but LAL wouldn't do this anyway so it doesn't really matter.

Personally I think their #1 priority should be looking to move Griffin, Dwight or not.
Sell high, as I don't think this team will go far with him. He hasn't developed his game as much as I thought he would, he remains an unimpressive defender and his offensive game doesn't seem ideal for the playoffs.

As for the deal... depends on when it was, but I think Griffin had much more promise back then and is obviously a major cash cow (which is why I don't think they would move him no matter what). And they probably worried Dwight would leave.

[busybluth22]

Instantaneous "no" from the Jazz. We're not giving up Favors for Eric Bledsoe and a good pick in a bad draft.

What #s do you see Favors putting up next year? I love his defensive potential, but I don't see him turning into an offensive force. More of an Antonio Davis (who granted was very good) level guy than someone who we'll see in multiple all-star games. He's only got 1 more year on his rookie contract, so that lowers his value a little. Bledsoe isn't a pass first PG, but both Burks and Hayward can facilitate, so that isn't a huge problem.

Even though there's no elite level prospects in this draft, if your team has good scouts/mgmt the #4 position would net you a very good player. One of McLemore, Porter, or Oladipo will be there at #4 if the Jazz wanted to get a wing, or Bennet might be there if they wanted to get a big. What kind of value do you think Favors has?

[Kupchak9]

If the Clips really want Dwight they should find takers for Griffin or DJ to clear up space.

Send DJ to CHA for a top 10 protected future 1st. They'll be at around 34.5 mil on the cap. Offer Dwight as much as they can with the guarantee CP3 will extend also. Resign their free agents to vet minimums. They'll be finished with a 80 mil payroll. They could try to package that pick with Bledsoe for a good wing in the future.

Howard/Turiaf/Hollins
Griffin/Odom
Butler/Barnes
Billups/Crawford/Green
CP3/Bledose

[Trader_Joe]

If the Clips really want Dwight they should find takers for Griffin or DJ to clear up space.

Send DJ to CHA for a top 10 protected future 1st. They'll be at around 34.5 mil on the cap. Offer Dwight as much as they can with the guarantee CP3 will extend also. Resign their free agents to vet minimums. They'll be finished with a 80 mil payroll. They could try to package that pick with Bledsoe for a good wing in the future.

Howard/Turiaf/Hollins
Griffin/Odom
Butler/Barnes
Billups/Crawford/Green
CP3/Bledose

Cp3 has a cap hold so that wouldn't work.
They'd need to get down to a out $20m in salary to sign Dwight and Paul as they would make a combined $40m roughly.

[Kupchak9]

If the Clips really want Dwight they should find takers for Griffin or DJ to clear up space.

Send DJ to CHA for a top 10 protected future 1st. They'll be at around 34.5 mil on the cap. Offer Dwight as much as they can with the guarantee CP3 will extend also. Resign their free agents to vet minimums. They'll be finished with a 80 mil payroll. They could try to package that pick with Bledsoe for a good wing in the future.

Howard/Turiaf/Hollins
Griffin/Odom
Butler/Barnes
Billups/Crawford/Green
CP3/Bledose

Cp3 has a cap hold so that wouldn't work.
They'd need to get down to a out $20m in salary to sign Dwight and Paul as they would make a combined $40m roughly.

Ahh i see, so they would have to let Griffin loose as well?

[They_Them_Hatin]

No Utah

LAL sign and trade Dwight Howard/Duhon/mwp/Nash
Gets Eric Bledsoe/2014 Detroit 1st/2014 Portland 1st/2014 2nd/next available 1st

Lac trade Eric Bledsoe/Blake griffin
Gets Dwight Howard/Ramon sessions

Charlotte bobcats trade 2014 Detroit 1st/2014 Portland 1st/2014 2nd/next available 1st
Gets Blake griffin/Duhon/mwp/Nash

Lakers get a ton of draft picks something they don't have and out of luxury tax hell could possibly sign someone for full mle

Clippers keep cp3 happy

Bobcats get a franchise star

[Trader_Joe]

I think they could keep Griffin, but they had to unload basically everyone else.

Jordan, Crawford, Bledsoe, Butler would have to go.

Paul
W.Green
MMLE
Griffin
Dwight

Should be affordable. The rest of the team would be all minimum contracts.

[HornetJail]

No thanks. MKG isn't being traded. Griffin has regressed every year he's been in the league, not by much, but still he hasn't improved. If he's just going to be an 18/10 guy his whole career, I'll stick with MKG's potential.

[Trader_Joe]

No thanks. MKG isn't being traded. Griffin has regressed every year he's been in the league, not by much, but still he hasn't improved. If he's just going to be an 18/10 guy his whole career, I'll stick with MKG's potential.

What do you think MKGs potential is?

[The59Sound]

Instantaneous "no" from the Jazz. We're not giving up Favors for Eric Bledsoe and a good pick in a bad draft.

What #s do you see Favors putting up next year? I love his defensive potential, but I don't see him turning into an offensive force. More of an Antonio Davis (who granted was very good) level guy than someone who we'll see in multiple all-star games. He's only got 1 more year on his rookie contract, so that lowers his value a little. Bledsoe isn't a pass first PG, but both Burks and Hayward can facilitate, so that isn't a huge problem.

Even though there's no elite level prospects in this draft, if your team has good scouts/mgmt the #4 position would net you a very good player. One of McLemore, Porter, or Oladipo will be there at #4 if the Jazz wanted to get a wing, or Bennet might be there if they wanted to get a big. What kind of value do you think Favors has?

I think that's the big issue here. To me, it's not his defensive "potential," but that he's already an elite defender. Give him the minutes he deserves this year, and things are going to look very good. It's unlikely he'll be an offensive "force," but he'll be very capable.

If I had to predict his statline for 2013-2014 (assuming Jefferson and Millsap are finally gone): 14 PPG, 10 RB, 2.5 BPG.

Eric Bledsoe, in my opinion, will never be the starting point guard on a contender. I just don't see the potential for him to ever be a high-quality game manager or table-setter. Even if you have a good facilitator like Hayward, most teams still need those things out of their PG.

To give you a sense of how I value Favors, I would not trade him straight-up for the #1 pick in the 2013 draft. In fact, I honestly can't think of any realistic package (realistic meaning, the other team would be willing to part with said package) that I would accept for him. This is an elite defender with a killer work ethic and badass attitude, who will soon be working with Karl Malone to expand his offensive game. It would take a hell of a lot to talk me into moving him, and this particular package isn't in the neighborhood.