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Toronto Raptors Cap Space 

Post#1 » by Smitty731 » Thu Apr 24, 2014 3:14 pm

Updated 1/10 with Amir Johnson becoming fully guaranteed.

Current Cap Space: None. $13,031,523.00 over
Maximum Cap Space: None. $13,031,523.00 over (if all options/guarantees were not picked up, all FAs renounced, no draft picks were to be signed this season, and all Exceptions were renounced)
Luxury Tax Space: $732,477.00
Tax Apron Space: $4,732,477.00
2015-2016 Maximum Cap Space: $15,875,647.00

How I got there:

Guaranteed Contracts (15): Bruno Caboclo, DeMar DeRozan, Landry Fields, Tyler Hansbrough, Chuck Hayes, Amir Johnson, James Johnson, Kyle Lowry, Lucas Nogueira, Patrick Patterson, Terrence Ross, Greg Stiemsma, Jonas Valanciunas, Geivis Vasquez, Lou Williams

Partial/Non-Guaranteed Contracts Kept to date (0): None

Carried Money (2): Marcus Camby ($646,609.00) Will Cherry ($25,000.00)

FA Cap Holds (2): Nando De Colo (RFA), Mickael Pietrus

Draft Pick Holds (0): None

Current Exceptions: Non-Taxpayer Exception at $2,805,000.00 (partially used on James Johnson). BAE at $2,077,000.00. TPEs at $3,445,947.00 (Steve Novak) and $2,358,000.00 (John Salmons).
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Re: Toronto Raptors "Real" Cap Space 

Post#2 » by Rapsobsessed7 » Thu Apr 24, 2014 5:43 pm

Smitty731 wrote:Maximum Cap Space: $20,882,358.00 (if all options were not picked up and all FAs renounced and no draft picks were to be signed this season)
Projected "Real" Cap Space: None

How I got there:

Guaranteed Contracts (6): DeMar DeRozan, Landry Fields, Chuck Hayes, Steve Novak, Terrence Ross, Jonas Valanciunas

Non-Guaranteed Contracts Kept (2): Tyler Hansbrough, Amir Johnson

Restricted FAs given Qualifying Offers (2): Patrick Patterson, Greivis Vasquez

FA Cap Holds (1): Kyle Lowry

FAs Renounced/Players Waived (4): Dwight Buycks, Nando De Colo, John Salmons (owed 1 million guarantee), Julyan Stone

Draft Pick Holds (1): Pick #20 at $1,215,300.00

Expected Exceptions (at the start of FA, may change after Roster decisions are made): MLE Non-Tax Exception at $5,305,000.00. BAE at $2,077,000.00. Also, TPEs of $4,583,432.00 (Rudy Gay) and $1,216,720.00 (Andrea Bargnani)

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Maybe the second biggest surprise of the year, after the Suns, the Raptors have had a really nice season. I think they can extend that in to the offseason with some key moves. Without a realistic chance at cap space, unless they blow up most of the roster, the moves to me are logical ones. Johnson is worth more than just 2 million extra off the cap. Same for Hansbrough. Salmons is a different story. With both DeRozan and Ross, there is no need to keep him around, and 1 million is restrictive. I think they will do what they can to keep both Patterson and Vasquez as they have been nice fits. Keeping Lowry, or working a good Sign and Trade for him, is key.


Just a little FYI - they arent "non-guaranteed contracts, they are partially guaranteed since Hansbrough and Amir both have guarantees with a certain date built into their contracts.

I dont know if we keep Hansbrough to be honest. He doesnt play much and we need size badly behind JV. Colo guy i could see us keeping because hes shown some good flashes and fits within the system Casey runs. We also need a 3rd PG incase of injury and hes shown he can handle that role. I really dont know what Masai will do. You have a team that has so much chemistry its hard to break that up.
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Re: Toronto Raptors "Real" Cap Space 

Post#3 » by Smitty731 » Thu Apr 24, 2014 5:59 pm

Rapsobsessed7 wrote:Just a little FYI - they arent "non-guaranteed contracts, they are partially guaranteed since Hansbrough and Amir both have guarantees with a certain date built into their contracts.

I dont know if we keep Hansbrough to be honest. He doesnt play much and we need size badly behind JV. Colo guy i could see us keeping because hes shown some good flashes and fits within the system Casey runs. We also need a 3rd PG incase of injury and hes shown he can handle that role. I really dont know what Masai will do. You have a team that has so much chemistry its hard to break that up.


You are right, but for consistency purposes, I just put non-guaranteed. But you are correct. Both of them have a partial guarantee of at least some amount.

I went back and forth on Hansbrough. I think the value he offers is better than the savings he would bring. I do agree they need some real size off their bench. And the chemsitry thing is for real with them. Watching them, I see a team that really plays for each other and is giving a ton of effort.
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Post#4 » by Bentley1225 » Thu Apr 24, 2014 7:46 pm

I dont want Raptors to offer more than a 5 year, $45 million contract. Why?, he shouldn't be paid more than DeRozan ($9.5 million) and he only blossomed in his contract year. If a team wants to offer him more than $10 million per, than leverage a sign and trade and we will make Vasquez starting point and draft a PG at #20.
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Re: Toronto Raptors "Real" Cap Space 

Post#5 » by Rapsobsessed7 » Thu Apr 24, 2014 8:26 pm

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Rapsobsessed7 wrote:Just a little FYI - they arent "non-guaranteed contracts, they are partially guaranteed since Hansbrough and Amir both have guarantees with a certain date built into their contracts.

I dont know if we keep Hansbrough to be honest. He doesnt play much and we need size badly behind JV. Colo guy i could see us keeping because hes shown some good flashes and fits within the system Casey runs. We also need a 3rd PG incase of injury and hes shown he can handle that role. I really dont know what Masai will do. You have a team that has so much chemistry its hard to break that up.


You are right, but for consistency purposes, I just put non-guaranteed. But you are correct. Both of them have a partial guarantee of at least some amount.

I went back and forth on Hansbrough. I think the value he offers is better than the savings he would bring. I do agree they need some real size off their bench. And the chemsitry thing is for real with them. Watching them, I see a team that really plays for each other and is giving a ton of effort.


I see Salmons & Hansbrough being dangled on draft day or post playoffs for either a move up or future asset in exchange for taking on salary (ie Perkins + #29). Chemistry is huge for us like you said, they seem to generally care and like one another which IMO makes it hard to make a major change.
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Re: Toronto Raptors "Real" Cap Space 

Post#6 » by Rapsobsessed7 » Thu Apr 24, 2014 8:28 pm

Bentley1225 wrote:I dont want Raptors to offer more than a 5 year, $45 million contract. Why?, he shouldn't be paid more than DeRozan ($9.5 million) and he only blossomed in his contract year. If a team wants to offer him more than $10 million per, than leverage a sign and trade and we will make Vasquez starting point and draft a PG at #20.


Well he's been a good player for a while. Vasquez isn't a starter and this team will be in the lottery if he's being pushed into that.
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Re: Toronto Raptors "Real" Cap Space 

Post#7 » by baulderdash77 » Sun Apr 27, 2014 4:09 pm

I think that they're going to try and use Salmons as bait to deal Novak's contract for an expiring contract.

Hans will be kept. By the end of next season Hayes and Fields will be off the books.

The team has no capspace this year, but the only "useless" contract they have after this year is Novak's. If they play their cards right they can end up with something close to "max" space in 2015.

Honestly the play is to bring back Vince Carter, make a Novak trade and re-sign their own free agents. That's the Raptors off-season.
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Re: Toronto Raptors "Real" Cap Space 

Post#8 » by Mr Swagtastic » Sun Apr 27, 2014 10:49 pm

Lowry is a no brainer to keep the guy is the main reason we are where we are. I hope we don't nickel and dime him I expect a DeRozan level deal

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Post#9 » by WhatsaTDot » Sun Apr 27, 2014 11:04 pm

Lowry is a better player (albeit older) than Demar. He should earn at least that kind of money.
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Re: Toronto Raptors "Real" Cap Space 

Post#10 » by Skeezo » Mon Apr 28, 2014 3:49 pm

J.Valanciunas... 3.7m
A.Johnson ...... 7m
Ross........ 2.8m
DeRozan... 9.5m
Lowry...... *10m (3 or 4 yr deal)
Patterson.. *4.5m (2 or 3 yr deal)
Vasquez.... *4m (2 or 3 yr deal)
Hansborough 3.3m
Fields....... 6.3m
Novak...... 3.5m
Hayes...... 6m
#20 pick.... 1.3m
#37 pick... 800k
JS/MC Buyouts 1.7m

Approximate Roster... 64.4m
Salary Cap ............... 63.2m
Luxury Cap............. 77m

-Costs for PP/GV/KL go up the further the Raps make it in the playoffs
-Don't think they give up Psycho T to save 2.3m in the last year of his deal, he'll be moved in trade or retained
-Think they look for Ross, JV and maybe DeRozan to take another leap for improvement as a team
-Draft picks will add depth to end of bench in place of Buycks & Stone... Wouldn't expect much in first year
-Depth at C and SF will have to found via trade or Vet minimums
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Re: Toronto Raptors "Real" Cap Space 

Post#11 » by Smitty731 » Tue Jun 3, 2014 1:02 am

Updated OP on 6/2.
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Post#12 » by Smitty731 » Mon Jun 30, 2014 1:24 pm

Updated on OP on 6/30 to reflect trade with Atlanta.
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Post#13 » by Smitty731 » Mon Jun 30, 2014 5:29 pm

Updated OP on 6/30 at 1:30 PM to reflect Tyler Hansbrough having his contract fully guaranteed.
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Post#14 » by chuckdevlin » Mon Jun 30, 2014 5:37 pm

JV/______/Bebe
Amir/PPat/Hans
Ross/______/ Caboclo/Daniel
Derozan/Lou-Will
Lowry/Vasquez/De Colo

Out: Hayes,Fields

Traded:Novak

I expect Hayes and Fields waived to save 1m each and roster spots. And with the glut at SF, Novak looks to be gone. He cant be our backup SF.

Lowry/Vasquez/De Colo/Lou-Will all are interchangeable at the guard positions.

Ross/Derozan either sg or sf.

Amir at pf or backup C.
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Post#15 » by Smitty731 » Thu Jul 3, 2014 7:35 pm

Updated OP on 7/3 to reflect resigning of Kyle Lowry.
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Post#16 » by Smitty731 » Sat Jul 5, 2014 6:29 pm

Updated OP on 7/5 to reflect resigning of Patrick Patterson and trade with Utah.
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Post#17 » by Smitty731 » Tue Jul 8, 2014 6:13 pm

Updated OP on 7/8 to reflect waiving Julyan Stone.
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Post#18 » by Smitty731 » Thu Jul 10, 2014 5:36 pm

Updated OP on 7/10 with official Cap and Tax Apron Numbers,resigning of Greivis Vasquez, signing of Bruno Caboclo, and signing of James Johnson.
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Post#19 » by Smitty731 » Sat Jul 12, 2014 7:19 pm

Updated OP on 7/12 with official numbers for Kyle Lowry.
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Post#20 » by Smitty731 » Mon Jul 14, 2014 5:32 pm

Updated OP on 7/14 with official numbers for Patrick Patterson.

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