Amir Johnson for 2014 1st round pick

[Colbinii]

I like the idea of Brewer on the Raptors at the 3. I think he fits well into our lineup, so I would definitely do Amir + Salmons for Brewer + 13th + cap filler, but I can only speak for myself.

Yeah if we sent out Brewer I would think the value is closer to Brewer/2nd for Amir.

Yeah in that case I wouldn't do it and I understand where you're coming from.

I'd do Amir + Salmons for Budinger, Barea, Turiaf + the 13th.

Then look to move Barea to a 3rd team. Basically I like the 13th more than I like Brewer, but I like both.

I just think Brewer/Amir are a wash at best.

Budinger/Turiaf/13/44 for Amir/20

[jimmy keys]

Yeah if we sent out Brewer I would think the value is closer to Brewer/2nd for Amir.

Yeah in that case I wouldn't do it and I understand where you're coming from.

I'd do Amir + Salmons for Budinger, Barea, Turiaf + the 13th.

Then look to move Barea to a 3rd team. Basically I like the 13th more than I like Brewer, but I like both.

I just think Brewer/Amir are a wash at best.

Budinger/Turiaf/13/44 for Amir/20

I agree it's pretty much a wash, but I wouldn't take on Budinger for Amir + a pick swap.

Amir has way more value than Budinger at this point, it would be Bud + 13th for Amir and maybe extra salary relief like Hansbrough's non guaranteed deal for Shved. Otherwise I'd look to Phoenix for the 18th straight up.

[Colbinii]

I agree it's pretty much a wash, but I wouldn't take on Budinger for Amir + a pick swap.

Amir has way more value than Budinger at this point, it would be Bud + 13th for Amir and maybe extra salary relief like Hansbrough's non guaranteed deal for Shved. Otherwise I'd look to Phoenix for the 18th straight up.

Yeah I hear you. We (Minnesota) are in a difficult situation where we want to build for now and the future. If we go all in now, even if Love stays, our team will be rubbish in two years, and if we rebuild, Love will for sure leave.

Let's settle on Budinger/Shved/13/40/44 for Amir/Salmons/37; Good talk Jimmy.

[jayjaysee]

I agree it's pretty much a wash, but I wouldn't take on Budinger for Amir + a pick swap.

Amir has way more value than Budinger at this point, it would be Bud + 13th for Amir and maybe extra salary relief like Hansbrough's non guaranteed deal for Shved. Otherwise I'd look to Phoenix for the 18th straight up.

Yeah I hear you. We (Minnesota) are in a difficult situation where we want to build for now and the future. If we go all in now, even if Love stays, our team will be rubbish in two years, and if we rebuild, Love will for sure leave.

Let's settle on Budinger/Shved/13/40/44 for Amir/Salmons/37; Good talk Jimmy.

That seems a terrible deal for your Wolves IMO..

Salmons has no use in Minn., not pushing the tax line and not interesting in dumping salary.. Should involve a third team that pays the price of dumping a contract or that wants to dump an overpaid quality player...

OKC - Perkins, 21
OKC - Salmons, 54
Minn - Budinger, Turiaf, JJB, 13, 40, 54
Minn - Perkins, Amir, 21
Toronto - Amir, Salmons
Toronto - JJB, Budinger, Turiaf, 13, 40

Might not be quite legal as that's a lot of salary going into Minn.. Figure do that deal as then trade Pekovic the next day for a Deng S&T+a 3rd string center. Or something like

Toronto - Amir+Salmons+20
Toronto - Budinger+LRMAM+JJB+13+40+44
Minn - Budinger+LRMAM+JJB+Shved+13+40+44
Minn - Green and Amir
Boston - Green
Boston - Shved, Salmons and 20


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[Blkbrd671]

Probably a bad contract+late round pick. Players like Amir Johnson aren't exactly rare in this league, however good ready now backup role players definitely have value. i don't see any team trading a first rounder straight up for him though

[cammac]

Probably a bad contract+late round pick. Players like Amir Johnson aren't exactly rare in this league, however good ready now backup role players definitely have value. i don't see any team trading a first rounder straight up for him though

Then Monroe is a back-up role player and you want to give him the Max

[Blkbrd671]

Probably a bad contract+late round pick. Players like Amir Johnson aren't exactly rare in this league, however good ready now backup role players definitely have value. i don't see any team trading a first rounder straight up for him though

Then Monroe is a back-up role player and you want to give him the Max

Amir has always had this mythical value amongst Rap fans, what exactly does he do that warrants a first round pick?

[AussieBuck]

He's an good player who knows his role and plays great D. Much better than Monroe.

[kingstyyyle]

I could see PHX facilitating a trade such as:

PHX out- 18th pick, $5 mil., and 28th pick
PHX in- 7th pick Outlaw and Terry

Tor out-Amir Johnson
Tor in- 18th pick

Sac out- 7th pick, Outlaw and Terry
Sac in- $5 Mil., A. Johnson and 28th pick

Phoenix consolidates assets to move up in the draft

Toronto gets their first rounder for Amir

Sacramento gets cap relief, a decent player and a late 1st for the 7th pick

[cammac]

Probably a bad contract+late round pick. Players like Amir Johnson aren't exactly rare in this league, however good ready now backup role players definitely have value. i don't see any team trading a first rounder straight up for him though

Then Monroe is a back-up role player and you want to give him the Max

Amir has always had this mythical value amongst Rap fans, what exactly does he do that warrants a first round pick?

Not unlike Monroe in Detroit but with Amir it is warranted and I'm likely one of the Toronto fans that least back him.

Monroe shooting % .497 0 to 3ft .524 3ft to 10 ft .321 past less than .10 so poor even at close range and no range ranked 80th in offense in players under 28, player 57% @C 43% at PF, PPG 15.2 rebounds 9.3. assists 2.1, steals 1.1 blocks .6 plus he has no defensive capabilities either man to man or help defense. Plus he blames others.

Amir Johnson shooting % 0 to 3ft .721 (better % than Drummond) 3ft to 10ft .478 10 to 16ft .441 3pt .305 ranked
49th offensively in players under 28, 10.4ppg, 6.6 RPG, 1.5APG, .7SPG & 1.1BPG in about 5 minutes less again and then defense no comparison excellent man to man and help. Plus he is a leader!

Guess that's why Raptor fans like him

[WhatsaTDot]

Probably a bad contract+late round pick. Players like Amir Johnson aren't exactly rare in this league, however good ready now backup role players definitely have value. i don't see any team trading a first rounder straight up for him though

Then Monroe is a back-up role player and you want to give him the Max

Amir has always had this mythical value amongst Rap fans, what exactly does he do that warrants a first round pick?

Teams from other fanbases seem to recognise his value as evidenced by other responses in this thread which include first round picks.

Maybe its just you?

[Blkbrd671]

Then Monroe is a back-up role player and you want to give him the Max

Amir has always had this mythical value amongst Rap fans, what exactly does he do that warrants a first round pick?

Teams from other fanbases seem to recognise his value as evidenced by other responses in this thread which include first round picks.

Maybe its just you?

okay, so he warrants a first round pick because other team fan bases think he does, even though other posters have tied a bad contract to the first round pick or not even offered a first round pick, or said he was equal to Turiaf. But we'll just ignore these comments and pay attention to the other posst which are 90% tor fans

[Skeezo]

Then Monroe is a back-up role player and you want to give him the Max

Amir has always had this mythical value amongst Rap fans, what exactly does he do that warrants a first round pick?

Teams from other fanbases seem to recognise his value as evidenced by other responses in this thread which include first round picks.

Maybe its just you?

I was going to say since we got a 1st Rd pick + Two 2nd Rd picks for Bargnani... Lmao!!!

[Blkbrd671]

Then Monroe is a back-up role player and you want to give him the Max

Amir has always had this mythical value amongst Rap fans, what exactly does he do that warrants a first round pick?

Not unlike Monroe in Detroit but with Amir it is warranted and I'm likely one of the Toronto fans that least back him.

Monroe shooting % .497 0 to 3ft .524 3ft to 10 ft .321 past less than .10 so poor even at close range and no range ranked 80th in offense in players under 28, player 57% @C 43% at PF, PPG 15.2 rebounds 9.3. assists 2.1, steals 1.1 blocks .6 plus he has no defensive capabilities either man to man or help defense. Plus he blames others.

Amir Johnson shooting % 0 to 3ft .721 (better % than Drummond) 3ft to 10ft .478 10 to 16ft .441 3pt .305 ranked
49th offensively in players under 28, 10.4ppg, 6.6 RPG, 1.5APG, .7SPG & 1.1BPG in about 5 minutes less again and then defense no comparison excellent man to man and help. Plus he is a leader!

Guess that's why Raptor fans like him

So monroe at the age of 24 is averaging a much better stat line than a 27 year old amir, and your claming its because he averages 5 minutes fewer? or is it because Amir doesn't complain and he's a leader?

[cammac]

Amir has always had this mythical value amongst Rap fans, what exactly does he do that warrants a first round pick?

Not unlike Monroe in Detroit but with Amir it is warranted and I'm likely one of the Toronto fans that least back him.

Monroe shooting % .497 0 to 3ft .524 3ft to 10 ft .321 past less than .10 so poor even at close range and no range ranked 80th in offense in players under 28, player 57% @C 43% at PF, PPG 15.2 rebounds 9.3. assists 2.1, steals 1.1 blocks .6 plus he has no defensive capabilities either man to man or help defense. Plus he blames others.

Amir Johnson shooting % 0 to 3ft .721 (better % than Drummond) 3ft to 10ft .478 10 to 16ft .441 3pt .305 ranked
49th offensively in players under 28, 10.4ppg, 6.6 RPG, 1.5APG, .7SPG & 1.1BPG in about 5 minutes less again and then defense no comparison excellent man to man and help. Plus he is a leader!

Guess that's why Raptor fans like him

So monroe at the age of 24 is averaging a much better stat line than a 27 year old amir, and your claming its because he averages 5 minutes fewer? or is it because Amir doesn't complain and he's a leader?

No because Monroe is a inefficient chucker who likely gives up 1.3 points for every one he scores players are valued in advanced stats Amir is very high and Monroe sucks pond water.

A bit too far. Let's discuss trades without the "lol your team sucks lol" commentary, please. --loserX

[WhatsaTDot]

Amir has always had this mythical value amongst Rap fans, what exactly does he do that warrants a first round pick?

Teams from other fanbases seem to recognise his value as evidenced by other responses in this thread which include first round picks.

Maybe its just you?

okay, so he warrants a first round pick because other team fan bases think he does, even though other posters have tied a bad contract to the first round pick or not even offered a first round pick, or said he was equal to Turiaf. But we'll just ignore these comments and pay attention to the other posst which are 90% tor fans

I'd take him for 24 and 45

He'd look really good on Phoenix IMO, #18 for Amir sounds about right.

I'd be interested in a deal around 13 for Amir and another piece. He'd make an awesome 3rd big for the Wolves.

Charlotte fan
Milwaukee fan
Minnesota fan.


No bad contracts. Back to re-evaluating your opinion?

[Blkbrd671]

I'd be interested in a deal around 13 for Amir and another piece. He'd make an awesome 3rd big for the Wolves.

Charlotte fan
Milwaukee fan
Minnesota fan.


No bad contracts. Back to re-evaluating your opinion?

So again, his value is warranted because a charlotte/milwaukee/ and minnesota fan would give up their pick? Also i'd question the opinion stating they'd give up a early mid round pick for a 3rd big off the bench.

I think the return on dealing Amir would be bad contract plus mid to late 1st round pick.

So if i understand your valuation correctly

2 fans that say he's worth a first round pick
2 fans that say he's worth a first round pick +bad contract
1 fan that says he's worth a first round pick to be a backup big man

=

My initial thought that

good ready now backup role player

[WhatsaTDot]

Actually the opinion I commented on was that Raps fan believed he had mythical value. Clearly fans from other teams believe he has similar value. These views are shared by fans from more than one fanbase, as suggested by evidence here.

Don't worry though, no trade will actually happen based on what fans from message board forums believe.

[Blkbrd671]

Actually the opinion I commented on was that Raps fan believed he had mythical value. Clearly fans from other teams believe he has similar value. These views are shared by fans from more than one fanbase, as suggested by evidence here.

Don't worry though, no trade will actually happen based on what fans from message board forums believe.

lol, yet fail to describe why he has 1st round pick value. Which was my question. and you still fail to see that fans from other teams also think he doesn't have that value. Your basis for measurement is flawed. i also never said "only" rap fans. But as evidence by this thread, majority are from rap fans.

[jimmy keys]

Actually the opinion I commented on was that Raps fan believed he had mythical value. Clearly fans from other teams believe he has similar value. These views are shared by fans from more than one fanbase, as suggested by evidence here.

Don't worry though, no trade will actually happen based on what fans from message board forums believe.

lol, yet fail to describe why he has 1st round pick value. Which was my question. and you still fail to see that fans from other teams also think he doesn't have that value. Your basis for measurement is flawed. i also never said "only" rap fans. But as evidence by this thread, majority are from rap fans.

I think Amir has mid first round value.

He has great advanced metrics, but his real value comes from the little intangibles that don't appear on the stat sheet. He's the perfect first big off your bench.

- Defends both the 4 & 5 well.
- Can hit mid range jumper, but has great shot selection and puts himself in a position to make high % shots.
- Great teammate.
- Is paid a very reasonable 7 mil for next season.
- He would be a top 8 rotation player on any team.

I'd only consider taking on a reasonably bad contract if the pick was in the late lotto, otherwise Toronto would be glad to just keep him.

Another option is to combine Amir + Ross + 20th pick + Salmons + future picks and try and land a star 4. By himself he's worth a mid first easy in my (trying my best to not be bias) opinion.