Possible upgrades at PG and SF

Guzman_9 · Post #1 » by **Guzman_9** » Sat Jul 26, 2014 4:59 pm

What PGs and back up SFs that could be available for the Pacers? PGs would be need to upgrade for Hill so no down grades.

As in back up SF I'm talking about like Corey Brewer and scorers.

No terrible deals either like Wallace.

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Post #2 » by **Timmaytime** » Sat Jul 26, 2014 5:55 pm

Brandon Jennings and Josh Smith are available

We'll take Paul George off your hands

Guzman_9 · Post #3 » by **Guzman_9** » Sat Jul 26, 2014 5:58 pm

Timmaytime wrote:Brandon Jennings and Josh Smith are available

We'll take Paul George off your hands

haha 1 jennings isnt an upgrade. 2 Smith is a bad contract

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Wolves_Nation · Post #4 » by **Wolves_Nation** » Sat Jul 26, 2014 6:30 pm

Bud/Brewer/Martin could all be available I would think. What would you have to offer?

Post #5 » by **pacers33granger** » Sat Jul 26, 2014 6:35 pm

Wolves_Nation wrote:Bud/Brewer/Martin could all be available I would think. What would you have to offer?

Brewer would be the only one we might be interested in, but one big concern is that he is best in transition, which we just don't do much.

The other thing about all this is that we will likely use Solomon Hill a lot more this year, Rudez may be able to play some 3 (Copeland too, he lost a lot of weight this offseason to be quicker) and Miles will play some 3 as well. Plus Paul George will get most of the minutes anyways and our wings are basically interchangeable (meaning Stuckey and Hill will see some wing minutes too).

Golabki · Post #6 » by **Golabki** » Sat Jul 26, 2014 6:36 pm

Ty Lawson comes to mind... he'd be a HUGE offensive upgrade

Hill + Scola/Copeland + a first

or

Watson + 2 of Scola/Copeland/Mahimi + first

Denver, at some point, needs to look at the West and say, we just aren't good enough, let's start selling off our parts. If that happens soon Lawson would be one of the primary pieces on the table. The question is, what they would need back... the deals above are the extreme low end of the asking price for Lawson...

Which gets to a big issue... you they have the assets to get a significant upgrade on Hill?

Rapsobsessed7 · Post #7 » by **Rapsobsessed7** » Sat Jul 26, 2014 6:48 pm

Golabki wrote:Ty Lawson comes to mind... he'd be a HUGE offensive upgrade

Hill + Scola/Copeland + a first

or

Watson + 2 of Scola/Copeland/Mahimi + first

Denver, at some point, needs to look at the West and say, we just aren't good enough, let's start selling off our parts. If that happens soon Lawson would be one of the primary pieces on the table. The question is, what they would need back... the deals above are the extreme low end of the asking price for Lawson...

Which gets to a big issue... you they have the assets to get a significant upgrade on Hill?

What on earth? Denver could get SO much more. Low end? That's the bottom of the barrel.

mcfly1204 · Post #8 » by **mcfly1204** » Sat Jul 26, 2014 6:58 pm

I like the idea of Indiana acquiring Martin, he would be a good fit between Hill and George.

IND
In - Martin
Out - Scola/Sloan

MIN
In - Scola/Sloan
Out - Martin

Minnesota cuts salary for their next rebuild.

Golabki · Post #9 » by **Golabki** » Sat Jul 26, 2014 7:09 pm

Rapsobsessed7 wrote:
Golabki wrote:Ty Lawson comes to mind... he'd be a HUGE offensive upgrade

Hill + Scola/Copeland + a first

or

Watson + 2 of Scola/Copeland/Mahimi + first

Denver, at some point, needs to look at the West and say, we just aren't good enough, let's start selling off our parts. If that happens soon Lawson would be one of the primary pieces on the table. The question is, what they would need back... the deals above are the extreme low end of the asking price for Lawson...

Which gets to a big issue... you they have the assets to get a significant upgrade on Hill?

What on earth? Denver could get SO much more. Low end? That's the bottom of the barrel.

I agree it was too low... Indy could throw in an extra pick.

But part of the problem is that there is a limited market for PGs.

There are a handful of good teams that would love to have him, but don't really have anything to offer (like Indy), and a handful of bad teams that would like to have him, but that probably wouldn't give up a major asset (like Milwaukee).

AingesBurner · Post #10 » by **AingesBurner** » Sun Jul 27, 2014 1:14 am

Burke for Hill, a 1st, and a 2nd.

jowglenn · Post #11 » by **jowglenn** » Sun Jul 27, 2014 8:20 am

Main key in a deal is obviously Pacers using Scola + Copeland's expirings to take on salary from someone else. Anyone looking for 2015 cap space? As long as the Pacers don't hit the tax, they're probably fine with adding a bit of 2015-2016 salary if it gets them somewhere. Hibbert might opt out (though, the way he's been playing..... should he? If he has a disaster year, he probably just opts in, but if he goes back to being DPOY level Roy, he may just opt out and go for the maximum money he can before another ugly stretch hurts his value), but if he stays, west expires in 2016, mahinmi expires in 2016, hibbert expires, and the pacers whole 2016 cap sheet is Paul George, George Hill, CJ Miles, Solomon Hill, Damjan Rudez, and whoever they draft in 2015. That's it.

So they'll have their big come-to-jesus-and-paul-george moment to a big FA in 2016, but until then.... Of course if Hibbert opts out in 2015, Pacers could very well still keep him somehow on a new deal (though you know some team will toss him superstar money) and he would also be on that cap.

Basically, send out Scola & Copeland, get back a contract that goes one more year (ends in 2016) from a team wanting to turn a guy into expirings. And truth be told, these guys are both still rotation players.

So big picture, the target is a team with a player or set of players who are no longer likely to be in the team's plans, and are standing in the way of some big 2015 plan. The teams going for 2015 FAs, (Love, Aldridge, Rondo, M Gasol, Millsap, Jefferson could opt out, Dragic will opt out, number of RFA guys as well) if they can drop some guy making 8 million a year this year and next year for an expiring Scola & Copeland, it might be worth their while.

Targets for a Scola/Copeland trade: (Scola is on one year 4.86 million, Copeland on one year 3.15 million

Jared Dudley? He goes til 2016 (unless he opts out), and Clippers might want to dump him for an expiring. He basically fell out of the rotation and was injured, right? I always liked him in Phoenix. Do Copeland for Dudley. Clips get a guy who can score for them a bit.

What would Boston pay to dump Gerald Wallace? They have more picks than god over the next few years, but they can engineer massive 2015 cap space to immediately try to add a guy. Big time cap space. Keep Rondo and attract a max guy to play with him and a young hungry team. Pacers could use some picks.

Charlotte - if they want to open up their 2015 cap space (Al Jeff may opt out and seek a longer deal with them, he's finally found a good place to be; lance is cheap; they have to re-sign Kemba, etc, etc, Henderson is redundant with Lance there, etc, etc. Scola, Copeland & a 1st for Henderson & Zeller? pls?

Knicks! Calderon, JR Smith, both guys go into 2015-16 (calderon to 2017... so cuts into the pacers 2016 cap space, probably a no go.) But how crazy of an idea is JR Smith? Would Knicks, in order to dump him and have fuller 2015 cap space, possibly attach an asset to him? Hardaway? Who knows. Pacers could make Smith a game changer maybe, who knows...

Ilyasova bounce back? nahhhh

Steve Novak? Steve Novak!!! Maybe in Indy the defense could cover him up enough to make his shooting semi-worthwhile, who knows. Maybe Toronto attaches a small asset to clear his salary and open up even more 2015 cap space.

Chase Budinger? Corey Brewer? Don't really need either of em....

Brandon Jennings! Perfect guy! Could be our new point guard, move Hill to the 2. Watson/Scola/Copeland for Jennings?

Darren · Post #12 » by **Darren** » Sun Jul 27, 2014 8:41 am

The Mavs has 4 SFs and 4 PGs. Please feel free to make your offer. But Chandler Parsons and Monta Ellis are most likely off limit. We want servible backup big who can defend and rebound in pick-n-roll. And we can use a SG who can defend 1-3. Hopefully, not a totally liability on offensive end.

jowglenn · Post #13 » by **jowglenn** » Sun Jul 27, 2014 8:50 am

What kind of crazy **** could the Pacers do around Kendrick Perkins?

Mahinmi, Copeland, Scola for Perkins, McGarry? Toss in something else? a 2nd?

OKC makes massive upgrade and has sudden much much better depth. Perkins is deadweight and McGary is a speculative rookie, while Mahinmi is a perfect backup C to have behind Adams taking over, while Scola and Copeland provide great veteran depth.

Westbrook/Morrow/Durant/Ibaka/Adams with Jackson, Telfair, Lamb, Jones, Copeland, Collison, Scola, Mahinmi off the bench.

Could likely bring in a 3rd team , including possibly ones listed above.

Pacers do it to get McGary and dump a bit of future salary (Mahinmi)

Golabki · Post #14 » by **Golabki** » Sun Jul 27, 2014 11:08 am

jowglenn wrote:Main key in a deal is obviously Pacers using Scola + Copeland's expirings to take on salary from someone else. Anyone looking for 2015 cap space? As long as the Pacers don't hit the tax, they're probably fine with adding a bit of 2015-2016 salary if it gets them somewhere. Hibbert might opt out (though, the way he's been playing..... should he? If he has a disaster year, he probably just opts in, but if he goes back to being DPOY level Roy, he may just opt out and go for the maximum money he can before another ugly stretch hurts his value), but if he stays, west expires in 2016, mahinmi expires in 2016, hibbert expires, and the pacers whole 2016 cap sheet is Paul George, George Hill, CJ Miles, Solomon Hill, Damjan Rudez, and whoever they draft in 2015. That's it.

So they'll have their big come-to-jesus-and-paul-george moment to a big FA in 2016, but until then.... Of course if Hibbert opts out in 2015, Pacers could very well still keep him somehow on a new deal (though you know some team will toss him superstar money) and he would also be on that cap.

Basically, send out Scola & Copeland, get back a contract that goes one more year (ends in 2016) from a team wanting to turn a guy into expirings. And truth be told, these guys are both still rotation players.

So big picture, the target is a team with a player or set of players who are no longer likely to be in the team's plans, and are standing in the way of some big 2015 plan. The teams going for 2015 FAs, (Love, Aldridge, Rondo, M Gasol, Millsap, Jefferson could opt out, Dragic will opt out, number of RFA guys as well) if they can drop some guy making 8 million a year this year and next year for an expiring Scola & Copeland, it might be worth their while.

Targets for a Scola/Copeland trade: (Scola is on one year 4.86 million, Copeland on one year 3.15 million

Jared Dudley? He goes til 2016 (unless he opts out), and Clippers might want to dump him for an expiring. He basically fell out of the rotation and was injured, right? I always liked him in Phoenix. Do Copeland for Dudley. Clips get a guy who can score for them a bit.

What would Boston pay to dump Gerald Wallace? They have more picks than god over the next few years, but they can engineer massive 2015 cap space to immediately try to add a guy. Big time cap space. Keep Rondo and attract a max guy to play with him and a young hungry team. Pacers could use some picks.

Charlotte - if they want to open up their 2015 cap space (Al Jeff may opt out and seek a longer deal with them, he's finally found a good place to be; lance is cheap; they have to re-sign Kemba, etc, etc, Henderson is redundant with Lance there, etc, etc. Scola, Copeland & a 1st for Henderson & Zeller? pls?

Knicks! Calderon, JR Smith, both guys go into 2015-16 (calderon to 2017... so cuts into the pacers 2016 cap space, probably a no go.) But how crazy of an idea is JR Smith? Would Knicks, in order to dump him and have fuller 2015 cap space, possibly attach an asset to him? Hardaway? Who knows. Pacers could make Smith a game changer maybe, who knows...

Ilyasova bounce back? nahhhh

Steve Novak? Steve Novak!!! Maybe in Indy the defense could cover him up enough to make his shooting semi-worthwhile, who knows. Maybe Toronto attaches a small asset to clear his salary and open up even more 2015 cap space.

Chase Budinger? Corey Brewer? Don't really need either of em....

Brandon Jennings! Perfect guy! Could be our new point guard, move Hill to the 2. Watson/Scola/Copeland for Jennings?

I think Dudley and Henderson are logical targets in the back up wing role, which Indy has had an inexplicably hard time filling.

Dudley could probably be had for expiring and Henderson for expirings and a heavily protected pick.

Post #15 » by **jbk1234** » Sun Jul 27, 2014 5:27 pm

Guzman_9 wrote:What PGs and back up SFs that could be available for the Pacers? PGs would be need to upgrade for Hill so no down grades.

As in back up SF I'm talking about like Corey Brewer and scorers.

No terrible deals either like Wallace.

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What are the Pacers willing to put on the table?

RRFB · Post #16 » by **RRFB** » Sun Jul 27, 2014 5:41 pm

Golabki wrote:Ty Lawson comes to mind... he'd be a HUGE offensive upgrade

Hill + Scola/Copeland + a first

or

Watson + 2 of Scola/Copeland/Mahimi + first

Denver, at some point, needs to look at the West and say, we just aren't good enough, let's start selling off our parts. If that happens soon Lawson would be one of the primary pieces on the table. The question is, what they would need back... the deals above are the extreme low end of the asking price for Lawson...

Which gets to a big issue... you they have the assets to get a significant upgrade on Hill?

Not a chance. There's no one on Indiana's roster the Nuggets would realistically trade Ty Lawson for.

Guzman_9 · Post #17 » by **Guzman_9** » Sun Jul 27, 2014 6:11 pm

jbk1234 wrote:
Guzman_9 wrote:What PGs and back up SFs that could be available for the Pacers? PGs would be need to upgrade for Hill so no down grades.

As in back up SF I'm talking about like Corey Brewer and scorers.

No terrible deals either like Wallace.

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What are the Pacers willing to put on the table?

Anyone other than Paul George and David West.

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R-DAWG · Post #18 » by **R-DAWG** » Sun Jul 27, 2014 11:53 pm

I'd trade Calderon and JR Smith to Indy for Hill, Scola, and a 1st.

skywalker33 · Post #19 » by **skywalker33** » Mon Jul 28, 2014 2:03 am

Golabki wrote:Ty Lawson comes to mind... he'd be a HUGE offensive upgrade

Hill + Scola/Copeland + a first

or

Watson + 2 of Scola/Copeland/Mahimi + first

Denver, at some point, needs to look at the West and say, we just aren't good enough, let's start selling off our parts. If that happens soon Lawson would be one of the primary pieces on the table. The question is, what they would need back... the deals above are the extreme low end of the asking price for Lawson...

Which gets to a big issue... you they have the assets to get a significant upgrade on Hill?

Lawson is DEN's best player and you want to give us crap for him ???? Don't even try again....... :roll:

Mich3006 · Post #20 » by **Mich3006** » Mon Jul 28, 2014 8:39 am

Golabki wrote:Ty Lawson comes to mind... he'd be a HUGE offensive upgrade

Hill + Scola/Copeland + a first

or

Watson + 2 of Scola/Copeland/Mahimi + first

Denver, at some point, needs to look at the West and say, we just aren't good enough, let's start selling off our parts. If that happens soon Lawson would be one of the primary pieces on the table. The question is, what they would need back... the deals above are the extreme low end of the asking price for Lawson...

Which gets to a big issue... you they have the assets to get a significant upgrade on Hill?

If the Pacers want Ty Lawson they have to take on some "garbage" contracts or they offer Paul George.

Paul George´s is the only valuable asset in their roster, Roy Hibbert has to prove his game this season to get back on track...