Roy Hibbert to Utah

rein08 · Post #1 » by **rein08** » Tue Aug 19, 2014 10:27 am

http://www1.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6505344

P.S.: I'm not sure if I already posted this trade already

Roy Hibbert

for

Enes Kanter, Steve Novak, Jeremy Evans,
Utah's own 2015 1st round pick, and 2017 1st round picks of Utah and Golden State

Pacers do this as they hit the proverbial RESET button and start clearing the slate. They get a cheap C who they could mold into a starter in Kanter + 2 rotation players in Novak and J. Evans. The real prize in return is the 3 1st round picks they get from this deal.

Jazz gets a clear upgrade at C in Hibbert. They ship 3 1st round picks just to impose that they are intending to win NOW. With Hibbert in the fold, the Utah Jazz now has a more solid starting lineup:
PG: Trey Burke or Dante Exum
SG: Burke, Alec Burks, or Gordon Hayward
SF: Hayward
PF: Derrick Favors
C: Roy Hibbert

slicedbread2 · Post #2 » by **slicedbread2** » Tue Aug 19, 2014 10:34 am

You aren't serious are ya?

Utah is not shipping away a good prospect in Kanter along with 3 first rounders! 3! For a mental shrink in Hibbert.
Come on now the dude doesn't have that value and Utah is looking to use the upcoming year to try and see what lineup works and hopefully land another high pick.

basketballwacko2 · Post #3 » by **basketballwacko2** » Tue Aug 19, 2014 10:48 am

This is a drastic over pay for Hibbert. The players involved works pretty good for me. If Indiana could get that 2017 GSW pick that would be great, but NO WAY does Utah trade their own 2015 #1.

I do think Hibbert and Favors would be good defensively.

the_process · Post #4 » by **the_process** » Tue Aug 19, 2014 11:50 am

rein08 wrote:http://www1.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6505344

P.S.: I'm not sure if I already posted this trade already

Roy Hibbert

for

Enes Kanter, Steve Novak, Jeremy Evans,
Utah's own 2015 1st round pick, and 2017 1st round picks of Utah and Golden State

Pacers do this as they hit the proverbial RESET button and start clearing the slate. They get a cheap C who they could mold into a starter in Kanter + 2 rotation players in Novak and J. Evans. The real prize in return is the 3 1st round picks they get from this deal.

Jazz gets a clear upgrade at C in Hibbert. They ship 3 1st round picks just to impose that they are intending to win NOW. With Hibbert in the fold, the Utah Jazz now has a more solid starting lineup:
PG: Trey Burke or Dante Exum
SG: Burke, Alec Burks, or Gordon Hayward
SF: Hayward
PF: Derrick Favors
C: Roy Hibbert

Take out the 2015 and 2017 UTA 1sts. Add Trey Burke. Deal.

Kanter, Novak, Evans, Burke, and 2017 GS 1st for Hibbert.

The59Sound · Post #5 » by **The59Sound** » Tue Aug 19, 2014 1:22 pm

Massive overpay by Utah. My jaw actually dropped a little when I got to the draft picks.

Then there's the issue of Hibbert on the Jazz. He and Favors would be a very intimidating defensive tandem, but it would be a disaster offensively. A center who has the FG percentage of a guard and doesn't stretch the floor is a terrible match for Favors on that end.

rein08 · Post #6 » by **rein08** » Tue Aug 19, 2014 1:49 pm

^this

Who would fit as a stretch 5 to compliment Favors?

The59Sound · Post #7 » by **The59Sound** » Tue Aug 19, 2014 1:59 pm

rein08 wrote:^this

Who would fit as a stretch 5 to compliment Favors?

I see Favors as more of a 5, with the capability to play the 4 if we brought in some other talent at center. Here are some players, though not necessarily available, who'd fit well with Favors offensively:

Ryan Anderson
Channing Frye
Patrick Patterson
Josh McRoberts
Thaddeus Young
Mirza Teletovic

jowglenn · Post #8 » by **jowglenn** » Tue Aug 19, 2014 5:10 pm

What is the point for Utah? They've got an incredibly young team that has no shot at making the playoffs; they'll develop their young group and hope those picks add to it. Trading such value for Hibbert would be a foolish move for them - I don't think they make the playoffs with a Burke/Burks/Exum/Hayward/Favors/Hibbert top 6 in the next year or two, so... why? That team is still very young and not likely to compete in the tough tough West.

Develop the young guys (Burke, Exum) and hope you can add another good pick in 2015. Then in 2015 or 2016 the team can really blossom.

Boarder Patrol · Post #9 » by **Boarder Patrol** » Tue Aug 19, 2014 6:04 pm

Lol from Utah. Kanter has nearly as much value as Hibbert alone.

Kanter, Novak, Evans, 2015 GSW 1st (lotto protected) for Roy.

jeeph · Post #10 » by **jeeph** » Tue Aug 19, 2014 6:20 pm

I was thinking Brook Lopez would be a nice target Utah could gamble on. Could be a nice twin tower situation.

youOK · Post #11 » by **youOK** » Tue Aug 19, 2014 6:26 pm

Lopez makes much more sense than Hibbert. if Kanter can't play with Favors they will be looking for an offensive player to fill Kanter's spot. With Hibbert/Favors you have both defensive minded bigs that can struggle to score.

Doddage · Post #12 » by **Doddage** » Tue Aug 19, 2014 7:24 pm

oyoyer wrote:Take out the 2015 and 2017 UTA 1sts. Add Trey Burke. Deal.

Kanter, Novak, Evans, Burke, and 2017 GS 1st for Hibbert.

Yep. This sounds good.

Post #13 » by **Smitty731** » Tue Aug 19, 2014 9:31 pm

Let's not go crazy that Kanter is nearly as valuable as Hibbert. He's not. Hibbert was a dominant defensive center as recently as the first half of last season.

That said, the OP's trade makes no sense. Waaaay too much value heading towards Indiana. All the picks swing it that. Mostly because Hibbert isn't enough to get Utah in the playoffs in the West. So, that is still a lottery pick this year. That is too much to give up for Hibbert.

the_process · Post #14 » by **the_process** » Wed Aug 20, 2014 1:21 am

jeeph wrote:I was thinking Brook Lopez would be a nice target Utah could gamble on. Could be a nice twin tower situation.

This wouldn't be a bad idea for UTA either.

BKN gets Kanter, Novak, Evans, and GSW 2017 1st for Lopez and Teague works on trade machine.

jayjaysee · Post #15 » by **jayjaysee** » Wed Aug 20, 2014 4:16 am

I think Utah makes a lot of sense as the team sending Kanter+Burke to Indy in a potential 3-way deal for Hibbert.

That third team would send expiring+A big asset to Utah)

Boston with Wallace (not expiring I know), Olynyk and either their 2015 first or the Nets first.. Seems to work well in this mold.. Bargs+THJ+Larkin going to Utah? Lopez+Teague to Utah would be interesting if Utah benched Lopez til at least the ASG.. Help the tank and hopefully Lopez+Favors become the best front court in the NBA next season.

Something that makes Utah slightly worse next year, but better long term while ending up with Indy getting Kanter+Burke seems to balance their team..

I think Indy just plans to hope Hibbert can learn a few more post moves this year by getting the ball thrown at him an extra 10-12 times a game and becomes a better 2-way player, which builds his confidence, which stops him from disappearing for 15 games a year as he has done.. Which makes him the player they hoped he'd be and makes Indy contenders again as soon as PG is back.

But they could do the same thing with Kanter while adding Burke who would be a great new look for them off the bench paying 28mpg sliding Hill to the 2 for 12-16 of them.

californiadude · Post #16 » by **californiadude** » Wed Aug 20, 2014 7:56 pm

rein08 wrote:^this

Who would fit as a stretch 5 to compliment Favors?

Terrence Jones would be the best defensively, while be able to stretch the floor enough offensively.