LAC/Phi: Offsetting the hard cap (Delfino/Bullock dump)

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LAC/Phi: Offsetting the hard cap (Delfino/Bullock dump) 

Post#1 » by HartfordWhalers » Wed Aug 27, 2014 3:19 pm

To Phi: Delfino (3.25m will be waived), Bullock (the incentive)
To LAC: top 50 protected 2nd rounder (cap space)


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LAC saves themselves 3 years of a 1m cap hit, and ends up with a 3.25m TPE and the ability to use it all to add to their roster. This frees up space, as the team is at the hardcap already, and only at the cost of a guy that played less then 400 minutes with a 46% ts%.

Philly gets a guy who could just start there, as evidenced by his 46% ts. Uses cap space to take a flier ona guy who at 23, would be one of the teams vets.
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Re: LAC/Phi: Offsetting the hard cap (Delfino/Bullock dump) 

Post#2 » by loserX » Wed Aug 27, 2014 3:40 pm

What does the Clippers' roster spot situation look like? I just worry that they'll get rid of two guys and then have to go and sign two guys (or trade for two different guys).
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Re: LAC/Phi: Offsetting the hard cap (Delfino/Bullock dump) 

Post#3 » by Smitty731 » Wed Aug 27, 2014 3:40 pm

Both sides should do a deal like this. Philly gets to test Bullock at SG, which a spot that they clearly have a need at. LAC obviously clears some space.
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Re: LAC/Phi: Offsetting the hard cap (Delfino/Bullock dump) 

Post#4 » by bondom34 » Wed Aug 27, 2014 3:44 pm

TBH, I really think the Clippers should look to Minnesota for Brewer.
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Re: LAC/Phi: Offsetting the hard cap (Delfino/Bullock dump) 

Post#5 » by Texas Chuck » Wed Aug 27, 2014 4:09 pm

I mostly like it. I guess my question would be what assets do the Clippers still have left to add to that TPE to bring in a decent low-cost wing?
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Re: LAC/Phi: Offsetting the hard cap (Delfino/Bullock dump) 

Post#6 » by HornetJail » Wed Aug 27, 2014 4:13 pm

I think the Dudley trade was a sign that Bullock is ready for minutes this season, or at least I hope so.
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Re: LAC/Phi: Offsetting the hard cap (Delfino/Bullock dump) 

Post#7 » by HartfordWhalers » Wed Aug 27, 2014 4:23 pm

Chuck Texas wrote:I mostly like it. I guess my question would be what assets do the Clippers still have left to add to that TPE to bring in a decent low-cost wing?


If they wanted an extra big, I could include Vornado, who otherwise might be one of the top 5-6 Sixers.
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Re: LAC/Phi: Offsetting the hard cap (Delfino/Bullock dump) 

Post#8 » by Smitty731 » Wed Aug 27, 2014 5:08 pm

On these types of trades, I like imagine Hinkie sits in his office, the phone rings, a GM says, "What do I have to add to player X to get you to eat his contract?" and an evil grin spreads across Hinkie's face.

There is basically no contract the 76ers couldn't eat this year without having to worry about it. I'm not a 76ers fan, but what they are doing fascinates me like no other team in the league. I can't wait to see how this all plays out in another 2-3 years. For Hinkie's sake, I hope he's around to see it too.
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Re: LAC/Phi: Offsetting the hard cap (Delfino/Bullock dump) 

Post#9 » by ckchen » Wed Aug 27, 2014 6:53 pm

Frankly, if LAC was that concerned about freeing up cap space - they could've made the Dudley with Philly to begin with rather than try to engineer some kind of secondary after-the-fact trade to dump the 2 guys they just got in the deal.
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Re: LAC/Phi: Offsetting the hard cap (Delfino/Bullock dump) 

Post#10 » by HartfordWhalers » Wed Aug 27, 2014 8:13 pm

ckchen wrote:Frankly, if LAC was that concerned about freeing up cap space - they could've made the Dudley with Philly to begin with rather than try to engineer some kind of secondary after-the-fact trade to dump the 2 guys they just got in the deal.


1) Bullock wasn't in that trade, the decent center at 1.5m was.
2) Do you really think Hinkie would have taken on 2 years salary for a late 1st and given up a so so prospect and a late 2nd? I don't, his track record seems pretty clear that wouldn't have done it for him.
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Re: LAC/Phi: Offsetting the hard cap (Delfino/Bullock dump) 

Post#11 » by ejftw » Wed Aug 27, 2014 8:41 pm

Why would the Clippers give up a first to get rid of Dudley, to turn around and trade one of the remaining two small forwards, who is still young and could be a solid 3&D guy for years, to dump a contract that is 80% insured (from what I've read), that they could just stretch and sign Douglas-Roberts for the min?
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Re: LAC/Phi: Offsetting the hard cap (Delfino/Bullock dump) 

Post#12 » by HartfordWhalers » Wed Aug 27, 2014 8:44 pm

ejftw wrote:Why would the Clippers give up a first to get rid of Dudley, to turn around and trade one of the remaining two small forwards, who is still young and could be a solid 3&D guy for years, to dump a contract that is 80% insured (from what I've read), that they could just stretch and sign Douglas-Roberts for the min?


Cause stretching him leaves you with an (over) 1m cap hit for 3 years, and Bullock has looked horrible so far?

30.1% 3 point shooting and a negative DRAPM isn't the most promising start for a 3 and D guy, nor is his 6.7 PER.
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Re: LAC/Phi: Offsetting the hard cap (Delfino/Bullock dump) 

Post#13 » by dorkestra » Wed Aug 27, 2014 9:49 pm

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ckchen wrote:Frankly, if LAC was that concerned about freeing up cap space - they could've made the Dudley with Philly to begin with rather than try to engineer some kind of secondary after-the-fact trade to dump the 2 guys they just got in the deal.


1) Bullock wasn't in that trade, the decent center at 1.5m was.
2) Do you really think Hinkie would have taken on 2 years salary for a late 1st and given up a so so prospect and a late 2nd? I don't, his track record seems pretty clear that wouldn't have done it for him.


im not arguing raduljica's worth, but it has been reported, not confirmed, that LA plans to waive him.
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Re: LAC/Phi: Offsetting the hard cap (Delfino/Bullock dump) 

Post#14 » by ckchen » Thu Aug 28, 2014 1:53 am

dorkestra wrote:
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ckchen wrote:Frankly, if LAC was that concerned about freeing up cap space - they could've made the Dudley with Philly to begin with rather than try to engineer some kind of secondary after-the-fact trade to dump the 2 guys they just got in the deal.


1) Bullock wasn't in that trade, the decent center at 1.5m was.
2) Do you really think Hinkie would have taken on 2 years salary for a late 1st and given up a so so prospect and a late 2nd? I don't, his track record seems pretty clear that wouldn't have done it for him.


im not arguing raduljica's worth, but it has been reported, not confirmed, that LA plans to waive him.


Basically my point. I'm not saying that the 1st rounder would've been enough to absorb Dudley, but they probably could've sweetened it somehow (whether with Bullock or something else) - and then just had straight up cap space instead of 2 guys who they are just going to waive.
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Re: LAC/Phi: Offsetting the hard cap (Delfino/Bullock dump) 

Post#15 » by TheNewEra » Thu Aug 28, 2014 3:25 pm

No way clips should even consider this deal. Should be looking to flip Wilcox for a SF prospect.
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Re: LAC/Phi: Offsetting the hard cap (Delfino/Bullock dump) 

Post#16 » by giberish » Thu Aug 28, 2014 3:58 pm

I just have a hard time believing that the Clippers couldn't have moved Dudley + future 1st for nothing. He's just not making that much money.

Philly really wouldn't have taken Dudley + a 1st for cap space? Is it because they're afraid Dudley would help them win too much? (it certainly isn't because they can expect more return for their cap space, no one can be that delusional at this point) Even if Philly declines, wouldn't Utah or someone else take the deal?

You could even make it a 3-team deal, with Dudley to Detroit for Jerebko (Dudley probably becomes the best SF option on the team), Jerebko's EC + LAC 1st to Philly for cap space and a spare 2nd or two (they've got to have spares at this point).

This leads me to believe that the Clippers either value Raduljica as cheap C depth, expect Delfino to be a rotation player, or made a really stupid trade.

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