Another Try-Chi-Den-Port

[skywalker33]

I would have asked "Fournier for Afflalo?" not so long ago. He's a rental and no all-star.

Just because one franchise makes a stupid decision it doesn't mean Denver has to

Orl obviously shopped around... we know the market for Afflalo now and it isn't a lot.

When you take into consideration that ORL didn't want to deal with his potential opt out salary demands, that changes the value of the deal IMO, something that isn't recognized very well on this site.

[Golabki]

Just because one franchise makes a stupid decision it doesn't mean Denver has to

Orl obviously shopped around... we know the market for Afflalo now and it isn't a lot.

When you take into consideration that ORL didn't want to deal with his potential opt out salary demands, that changes the value of the deal IMO, something that isn't recognized very well on this site.

what's your point?

[skywalker33]

Orl obviously shopped around... we know the market for Afflalo now and it isn't a lot.

When you take into consideration that ORL didn't want to deal with his potential opt out salary demands, that changes the value of the deal IMO, something that isn't recognized very well on this site.

what's your point?

Most people are judging the trade and AA's value by what ORL received in the trade, that being the late 2nd and Evan Fournier, it's all they can see. But ORL also didn't have to pay AA when he's ready to opt out (or at least deal with it). It also figures in that opening up minutes for their younger talent is a boon to their overall plan, which AA was not a part of. I think when you take that into consideration, ORL got good value in the long-run, Denver a steal in the short-run.

Thus your statement above is true only to the extent that you want it to be

[Texas Chuck]

Uh, a player option that he opts out of is no harm to Orlando if they don't want to pay him. They simply don't offer him a contract and that's that. You can't act like that adds value to the Magic. Now if you argued the opposite--that the Magic were worried he would opt in and that would mess up their cap plans for that summer you could argue that as added value for the Magic. Tho typically you would only do so with players not likely to opt out and not being worth their contract, neither of which apply here.

And as far as giving younger players playing time, well they can choose to do that with or without AA on the roster so again you don't get to count that as added value.

A more logical way of looking at it is they have AA under contract for one more year and then he almost certainly opts out. They decided they'd rather look at a player they could control longer and get a 2nd round pick rather than have AA in a year they aren't contending for anything. Denver still wins the value portion of the trade hands down, but you can at least see the logic in it from the Magic perspective.

[skywalker33]

Uh, a player option that he opts out of is no harm to Orlando if they don't want to pay him. They simply don't offer him a contract and that's that. You can't act like that adds value to the Magic. Now if you argued the opposite--that the Magic were worried he would opt in and that would mess up their cap plans for that summer you could argue that as added value for the Magic. Tho typically you would only do so with players not likely to opt out and not being worth their contract, neither of which apply here.

Well, in that instance they lose him for nothing, with the trade they got two assets rather than cap space. And if you were just to sit him on a team where he was easily able to help the team win, the team could lose some faith in the direction the team is headed, AA could become a distraction (not that I believe he would, he's a professional). Lessening the potential to diminish chemistry is a plus in my book and moving AA for assets again is a win IMO.

A more logical way of looking at it is they have AA under contract for one more year and then he almost certainly opts out. They decided they'd rather look at a player they could control longer and get a 2nd round pick rather than have AA in a year they aren't contending for anything. Denver still wins the value portion of the trade hands down, but you can at least see the logic in it from the Magic perspective.

I can certainly agree with this, many people don't realize the potential Fournier has, I was a bit surprised they trade him, but it was an upgrade to say the least.