Bargnani to Philadelphia

[rein08]

http://www1.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6513386

Andrea Bargnani + cash
for
Philly's Jason Richardson + 2 of the 3 2018 2nd round picks (Philly's, LAC's, and Cleveland's)

NY does this to get rid of Bargnani.
Philly does this simply for the cash. J-Rich isn't going to play anyways.

[jbk1234]

The Knicks don't do this. They are done giving away first round picks for no reason.

[Boarder Patrol]

Nope from the Knicks. Throwing away a pick for nothing. We're actually acquiring one of the only players in the league who's less desirable than Bargs for our troubles.

[Rockazoids]

http://www1.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6513386

Andrea Bargnani + either of NY's 2015 or 2017 1st round pick + cash
for
Philly's Jason Richardson + 2 of the 3 2018 2nd round picks (Philly's, LAC's, and Cleveland's)

NY does this to get rid of Bargnani and open up more minutes to divide among Knicks' PFs
Philly does this simply for the 1st rounder and cash. J-Rich isn't going to play anyways so why not turn him into a late 1st round pick in 2015 or 2017

So are you talking about Stoudemire or Quincy Acy?

[username_taken]

Man, the Knicks would look terrible coming out of this, trading a first to get Bargnani and then trading one to get rid of him. Seems like a bit steep of a price.

[rein08]

EDITED

Andrea Bargnani + cash
for
Philly's Jason Richardson + 2 of the 3 2018 2nd round picks (Philly's, LAC's, and Cleveland's)

NY does this to get rid of Bargnani.
Philly does this simply for the cash. J-Rich isn't going to play anyways.

[Scoot McGroot]

EDITED

Andrea Bargnani + cash
for
Philly's Jason Richardson + 2 of the 3 2018 2nd round picks (Philly's, LAC's, and Cleveland's)

NY does this to get rid of Bargnani.
Philly does this simply for the cash. J-Rich isn't going to play anyways.

Wait, why is Philly giving up 2 2nds for the right to pay out more money? The max NY can pay Philly is $3.2m (Philly already received $100k in the Thabeet trade), and Bargs makes $5m more than Richardson. Why would Philly give up ANY 2nd's, or anything, to do that deal? Even waiting to the trade deadline, it's almost scratch.

Philly should be getting picks, not NY. Even if cash is attached.

[jbk1234]

EDITED

Andrea Bargnani + cash
for
Philly's Jason Richardson + 2 of the 3 2018 2nd round picks (Philly's, LAC's, and Cleveland's)

NY does this to get rid of Bargnani.
Philly does this simply for the cash. J-Rich isn't going to play anyways.

Wait, why is Philly giving up 2 2nds for the right to pay out more money? The max NY can pay Philly is $3.2m (Philly already received $100k in the Thabeet trade), and Bargs makes $5m more than Richardson. Why would Philly give up ANY 2nd's, or anything, to do that deal? Even waiting to the trade deadline, it's almost scratch.

Philly should be getting picks, not NY. Even if cash is attached.

Philly only does the deal if they want to see if Bargs can salvage anything out of his career in a throw away year. But it doesn't make any sense for the Knicks to trade one expiring for another and add picks. This trade doesn't even get them below the luxury tax.

[Scoot McGroot]

EDITED

Andrea Bargnani + cash
for
Philly's Jason Richardson + 2 of the 3 2018 2nd round picks (Philly's, LAC's, and Cleveland's)

NY does this to get rid of Bargnani.
Philly does this simply for the cash. J-Rich isn't going to play anyways.

Wait, why is Philly giving up 2 2nds for the right to pay out more money? The max NY can pay Philly is $3.2m (Philly already received $100k in the Thabeet trade), and Bargs makes $5m more than Richardson. Why would Philly give up ANY 2nd's, or anything, to do that deal? Even waiting to the trade deadline, it's almost scratch.

Philly should be getting picks, not NY. Even if cash is attached.

This trade doesn't even get them below the luxury tax.

No, but it cuts $5m off their tax number, which is all repeater multiplied. Instead of being $16.5m over the tax for a bill of about $50m, they would drop to only $11.5m over the tax, for a luxury tax bill of about $31m. It doesn't get them below the tax, but saves the Knicks almost $21m (adding in the $5m of pure salary savings, and subtracting the max payment of $3.1m to the Sixers).

So, almost $20m in pure cash savings. And the Knicks are supposed to get 2nds, too? For Bargs? A guy that has absolutely no future in Philly, and either has to be bought out or blocks playing time for the young guys they want to actually see?

[jbk1234]

Wait, why is Philly giving up 2 2nds for the right to pay out more money? The max NY can pay Philly is $3.2m (Philly already received $100k in the Thabeet trade), and Bargs makes $5m more than Richardson. Why would Philly give up ANY 2nd's, or anything, to do that deal? Even waiting to the trade deadline, it's almost scratch.

Philly should be getting picks, not NY. Even if cash is attached.

This trade doesn't even get them below the luxury tax.

No, but it cuts $5m off their tax number, which is all repeater multiplied. Instead of being $16.5m over the tax for a bill of about $50m, they would drop to only $11.5m over the tax, for a luxury tax bill of about $31m. It doesn't get them below the tax, but saves the Knicks almost $21m (adding in the $5m of pure salary savings, and subtracting the max payment of $3.1m to the Sixers).

So, almost $20m in pure cash savings. And the Knicks are supposed to get 2nds, too? For Bargs? A guy that has absolutely no future in Philly, and either has to be bought out or blocks playing time for the young guys they want to actually see?

Well you said that the Knicks should be the team adding picks. That is what I was responding to. Unless it saves them from the repeated tax, there really is no reason to add even a second rounder. Frankly, if Philly wants picks it should be just absorbing the entire salary. They have the room.

[Scoot McGroot]

This trade doesn't even get them below the luxury tax.

No, but it cuts $5m off their tax number, which is all repeater multiplied. Instead of being $16.5m over the tax for a bill of about $50m, they would drop to only $11.5m over the tax, for a luxury tax bill of about $31m. It doesn't get them below the tax, but saves the Knicks almost $21m (adding in the $5m of pure salary savings, and subtracting the max payment of $3.1m to the Sixers).

So, almost $20m in pure cash savings. And the Knicks are supposed to get 2nds, too? For Bargs? A guy that has absolutely no future in Philly, and either has to be bought out or blocks playing time for the young guys they want to actually see?

Well you said that the Knicks should be the team adding picks. That is what I was responding to. Unless it saves them from the repeated tax, there really is no reason to add even a second rounder. Frankly, if Philly wants picks it should be just absorbing the entire salary. They have the room.

So, Philly should just absorb salary for a guy they won't ever want to play? Why should they? Pay more for nothing? That seems...un-American.

They're eating more money and they're getting nothing back they want in return. They should be compensated for doing so. Keeping their own picks isn't a positive. It's just not super duper highway robbery.

[snoopdogg88]

what a bizarre trade for the Sixers.


Why are we doing this? Taking back more money and giving up 3 2nd round picks?

Wut? lol

[jbk1234]

what a bizarre trade for the Sixers.


Why are we doing this? Taking back more money and giving up 3 2nd round picks?

Wut? lol

The OP had the Knicks sending out a first while staying above the luxury tax. It didn't make any sense for NY that way.

[the_process]

The OP can be amended to make it acceptable to both sides... oh, and it has to be done at the deadline:

NYK gets JRich, lowest of NY/MIA/PHI 2015 1st
PHI gets Stoudamire, Thanasis Antetokounmpo, and right to swap the lower of 2015 PHI/MIA pick for 2015 NYK pick

Trade saves the Knicks 16.4m, which gets them out of the tax altogether. Sixers get a chance to improve their other 1st round pick and a fringe prospect.


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[Scoot McGroot]

Trade saves the Knicks 16.4m, which gets them out of the tax altogether.

Actually, it saves the Knicks about $58m, their entire luxury tax bill plus the (very) roughly prorated salary of the end of the year for Amare.

[ckchen]

The OP can be amended to make it acceptable to both sides... oh, and it has to be done at the deadline:

NYK gets JRich, lowest of NY/MIA/PHI 2015 1st
PHI gets Stoudamire, Thanasis Antetokounmpo, and right to swap the lower of 2015 PHI/MIA pick for 2015 NYK pick

Trade saves the Knicks 16.4m, which gets them out of the tax altogether. Sixers get a chance to improve their other 1st round pick and a fringe prospect.


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That seems like a huge swap just for the right to swap a pick that they will probably never even use. You're trading a 1st round pick for a huge salary, Thannasis (who if Philly wanted they could've drafted multiple times during the 2nd of the draft), and the chance that NYK has a slightly worse season than MIA?

This makes zero sense for the Sixers, as does the original deal (or amended one) for Bargs.

[Curmudgeon]

Bargnani is a cross that Phil is simply going to have to bear for awhile.

[chuckdevlin]

Bargnani + Larkin
for
LRMM

[Foshan]

This sure is a head scratcher. Philly obviously says no. NY, with no concern for dollars + no real assets to improve, rides out the season as is.

[the_process]

Trade saves the Knicks 16.4m, which gets them out of the tax altogether.

Actually, it saves the Knicks about $58m, their entire luxury tax bill plus the (very) roughly prorated salary of the end of the year for Amare.

Yes, thank you. Didn't add in the tax savings.

The OP can be amended to make it acceptable to both sides... oh, and it has to be done at the deadline:

NYK gets JRich, lowest of NY/MIA/PHI 2015 1st
PHI gets Stoudamire, Thanasis Antetokounmpo, and right to swap the lower of 2015 PHI/MIA pick for 2015 NYK pick

Trade saves the Knicks 16.4m, which gets them out of the tax altogether. Sixers get a chance to improve their other 1st round pick and a fringe prospect.


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That seems like a huge swap just for the right to swap a pick that they will probably never even use. You're trading a 1st round pick for a huge salary, Thannasis (who if Philly wanted they could've drafted multiple times during the 2nd of the draft), and the chance that NYK has a slightly worse season than MIA?

This makes zero sense for the Sixers, as does the original deal (or amended one) for Bargs.

Yeah, see I don't think NY is making the playoffs this year. I see them very similar to last year, a 35 win that will be 10 or maybe 9 in the East. That's an 11 or 12 pick. The Heat, otoh, are a team that if Wade stays any semblance of healthy and productive could be a 4 seed, but more likely a 6. That's a 17-18 pick. That's a significant jump up. Also I believe the Sixers would have drafted Thanasis at 51 but the Knicks beat them by a pick. The Sixers did pass on him twice... at 32 (KJ McDaniels) and 39 (Jerami Grant), both times for players who were projected as 1st round picks. That's no knock on Thanasis. Finally, as far as the money goes, the Sixers would be paying Amare approx 6.5m cash in order to add his 23m cap number and hit the salary floor without actually spending to it. Same concept they did last year with Granger. When you're tanking and ticket revenue is way down, cutting costs is certainly an excellent way to offset it, don't you think?