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Bos in: Holiday, Hibbert.
Bos out: Rondo, Green, Zeller.
NO in: Rondo, Green.
NO out: Holiday, Tyke.
Ind in: Tyke, Zeller.
Ind out: Hibbert.
Why for Bos? Decide Rondo ain't in the future plans and get a nice scoring point guard on top of the center that they've been searching for.
Why for NO? Rondo and Green seem like nicer options than Tyke and Holiday imo.
Why for Indy? Zeller would work as a passible center for now, especially if Hibbert regresses more, and is cheaper by a wide margin. Tyke brings in a ball handler that they'd need since there's no George or Stephenson. (Hill's mediocre.)
Bos out: Rondo, Green, Zeller.
NO in: Rondo, Green.
NO out: Holiday, Tyke.
Ind in: Tyke, Zeller.
Ind out: Hibbert.
Why for Bos? Decide Rondo ain't in the future plans and get a nice scoring point guard on top of the center that they've been searching for.
Why for NO? Rondo and Green seem like nicer options than Tyke and Holiday imo.
Why for Indy? Zeller would work as a passible center for now, especially if Hibbert regresses more, and is cheaper by a wide margin. Tyke brings in a ball handler that they'd need since there's no George or Stephenson. (Hill's mediocre.)
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I kinda like this. I feel like Boston makes out a little too well here and they could afford to give Indiana a pick or something, but it's interesting. It does fit a lot of needs, especially if the Pacers decide to offload Hibbert.
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Absolutely no interest in Tyreke, especially on his contract, in Indiana. Sure, Tyreke would fill a hole this year, but after that? He's a huge contract that is coming off the bench, in all likelihood.
Zeller is usable, but not a centerpiece to a Hibbert deal. Would be REALLY hard for Indy to be in a deal where both Rondo and Holliday are traded, and net neither.
Zeller is usable, but not a centerpiece to a Hibbert deal. Would be REALLY hard for Indy to be in a deal where both Rondo and Holliday are traded, and net neither.
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Hah, I wish this would happen. Indiana definitely isn't getting enough back for Hibbert, and it's questionable from New Orleans' side to give up Holiday for an older expiring PG in Rondo.
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What if I add a lotto protected first from Bos to Ind? Would that make it better?
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Mamba4Goat wrote:What if I add a lotto protected first from Bos to Ind? Would that make it better?
Yeah I feel like a lotto protected first that turns into second rounders eventually or say the Clippers/Cavs 2015 pick and I'd still do this deal. Probably would give up more to get it done, but I'm not sure how much more.
If Boston is getting Hibbert though I'd rather keep Rondo if he is ready to sign an extension this summer than trade for Holiday (depending on the deal Rondo signs to of course). So I'd rather Ainge cut out NO and went straight to Indy. That being said if Rondo wasn't willing to stick around I'd do him straight up for Holiday because I really like him. I know Boston just drafted Smart, but either of those will be marketable in trades next year/summer and there will be enough minutes to showcase both.
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It doesn't fit the Pels current plan to trade for Rondo, and I'm pretty sure the upgrade of Rondo over Holiday is made redundant by the major drop from Reke to Green
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ChrisTheFuturePaul wrote:It doesn't fit the Pels current plan to trade for Rondo, and I'm pretty sure the upgrade of Rondo over Holiday is made redundant by the major drop from Reke to Green
I actually disagree. Reke is a better player than Green, but Green is a better 3 than Reke is. He's also better suited to the 3rd option role that he'd have on this team. Rondo to Davis could be dangerous. I feel like we still miss AD on some of those pocket passes and alley-oops that Vasquez used to get him.
The only reason I wouldn't do this in "real life" is that we'd sacrifice alot of the continuity we've built up by trading two starters. But this is a really good realgm trade.
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Scoot McGroot wrote:Would be REALLY hard for Indy to be in a deal where both Rondo and Holliday are traded, and net neither.
Yeah. IMO Boston does too well and Indiana doesn't get enough. My preference would be to switch Tyreke and Holiday (send Tyreke to Boston and Holiday to Indiana instead), that makes it more acceptable to me.
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Mamba4Goat wrote:What if I add a lotto protected first from Bos to Ind? Would that make it better?
For Indy? Not really. We'd really rather have less players, but more impactful, or more future value. This really doesn't do that. Tyreke just doesn't appear to be anything but a very highly paid poor fit for us. Again, he'd fill a hole this year, but be a huge hindrance going forward. Zeller is fine, but not as the centerpiece of value.
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replace J.Green with G.Wallace and C's say yes
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Hibbert is such a question mark right now it is hard to see anyone trading value for him or Indy accepting what would be offered.
This is an interesting idea though. If I were NO, I would only do a deal if Rondo shook hands on a deal to extend. Assuming that happened, then a simple deal works. Rondo for Jrue.
But, the best deal would be to add a third team that needs a point guard. Only a few team need a pg - and would want Jrue enough to pay his value.
3 team deal: works on espn
Rockets: sends to Boston Motie 1.5, Capela 1.2, Canaan .8, Papanik 4.8 and NO first in 2015 along with a 2017 Hou 1st with top 10 protection; sends to NO the NY 2nd rounder in 2015 and the Port 2nd in 2017.
Boston sends to NO: Rondo 12.9.
NO sends to Hou: Jrue 11
NO gets Rondo and takes the risk he does not stay. Slight upgrade from Jrue - but risk is him leaving. Might need the 2nd rounders from Houston to go to Boston.
Boston gets a few prospects form Houston and that NO pick. Might make NO change the protection so they get NO next 2 firsts with only top 3 protection.
Hou - easy yes for them to get a huge upgrade at pg for all trade bait.
This is an interesting idea though. If I were NO, I would only do a deal if Rondo shook hands on a deal to extend. Assuming that happened, then a simple deal works. Rondo for Jrue.
But, the best deal would be to add a third team that needs a point guard. Only a few team need a pg - and would want Jrue enough to pay his value.
3 team deal: works on espn
Rockets: sends to Boston Motie 1.5, Capela 1.2, Canaan .8, Papanik 4.8 and NO first in 2015 along with a 2017 Hou 1st with top 10 protection; sends to NO the NY 2nd rounder in 2015 and the Port 2nd in 2017.
Boston sends to NO: Rondo 12.9.
NO sends to Hou: Jrue 11
NO gets Rondo and takes the risk he does not stay. Slight upgrade from Jrue - but risk is him leaving. Might need the 2nd rounders from Houston to go to Boston.
Boston gets a few prospects form Houston and that NO pick. Might make NO change the protection so they get NO next 2 firsts with only top 3 protection.
Hou - easy yes for them to get a huge upgrade at pg for all trade bait.
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Indy out: Hibbert
Indy in: Holiday, Zeller
Boston out: Rondo, Green
Boston in: Evans, Hibbert
NO out: Holiday, Evans
NO in: Rondo, Green
Indy in: Holiday, Zeller
Boston out: Rondo, Green
Boston in: Evans, Hibbert
NO out: Holiday, Evans
NO in: Rondo, Green
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Guys, there is no chance whatsoever that the Pels would trade the 24 year old Jrue Holiday, locked into a good deal, for Rajon Rondo who turns 29 this season, going into the last year of his deal, and is a possible locker room problem.
We certainly aren't giving up Tyreke Evans for the right to make this deal.
Sorry Jeff, I know how much you like Jeff Green. But this isn't the way it's going to happen.
We certainly aren't giving up Tyreke Evans for the right to make this deal.
Sorry Jeff, I know how much you like Jeff Green. But this isn't the way it's going to happen.
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Jon1798 wrote:Guys, there is no chance whatsoever that the Pels would trade the 24 year old Jrue Holiday, locked into a good deal, for Rajon Rondo who turns 29 this season, going into the last year of his deal, and is a possible locker room problem.
We certainly aren't giving up Tyreke Evans for the right to make this deal.
Sorry Jeff, I know how much you like Jeff Green. But this isn't the way it's going to happen.
I think you have to assume that any Rondo deal would happen with a handshake extension a la Kevin Love and Cleveland since no team is going to give up good value for a possible one year rental and it isn't worth it to Boston to trade him if he is only netting the value of a one year rental. Also Rondo isn't a "locker room" problem. I'll give you that he can be difficult at times, but is by no means a problem in that he would cause distractions/a rift in the locker room. He clashed heads with Doc and Ray, but in my opinion it was blown out of proportion.
I can understand not wanting to make the deal, I'm a big Holiday fan and have been surprised at how well Evans has done at SF, but I think upgrading from Holiday to Rondo would make NO a playoff contender next year.
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cl2117 wrote:Jon1798 wrote:Guys, there is no chance whatsoever that the Pels would trade the 24 year old Jrue Holiday, locked into a good deal, for Rajon Rondo who turns 29 this season, going into the last year of his deal, and is a possible locker room problem.
We certainly aren't giving up Tyreke Evans for the right to make this deal.
Sorry Jeff, I know how much you like Jeff Green. But this isn't the way it's going to happen.
I think you have to assume that any Rondo deal would happen with a handshake extension a la Kevin Love and Cleveland since no team is going to give up good value for a possible one year rental and it isn't worth it to Boston to trade him if he is only netting the value of a one year rental. Also Rondo isn't a "locker room" problem. I'll give you that he can be difficult at times, but is by no means a problem in that he would cause distractions/a rift in the locker room. He clashed heads with Doc and Ray, but in my opinion it was blown out of proportion.
I can understand not wanting to make the deal, I'm a big Holiday fan and have been surprised at how well Evans has done at SF, but I think upgrading from Holiday to Rondo would make NO a playoff contender next year.
That's pretty fair. A locked in extension would certainly help, and I would love to also complain about the knee, but Jrue is coming off a stress fracture. At the end of the day, the team is built around a 21 year old. There is no way I go from Holiday to Rondo, though I am fully aware Rondo can be a great player. I want to see this team full strength before even considering a move like that. And if we're going Evans to Green, I would want a little extra sweetner. But certainly Evans would have to go as he could never play with Rondo.
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Jon, beat me to it, but yeah Jrue forRondo straight up is a no go because Reke and Rondo are a bad fit together. I think I'd still do the original deal though, although Green is primarily interesting to me as a compliment to Reke rather than a replacement of Reke.
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BizGilwalker wrote:I kinda like this. I feel like Boston makes out a little too well here and they could afford to give Indiana a pick or something, but it's interesting. It does fit a lot of needs, especially if the Pacers decide to offload Hibbert.
I'm intrigued as to why you think that. BOS gives up their two best players; both of which still have a lot of great basketball and production in them. In return, they get a player in Hibbert whose value has never been lower after he completely flaked in the Playoffs, and a player in Holiday who plays the same position as Boston's "future" (Smart) and who himself has been underwhelming.
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