Toronto - Atlanta

[RonaldArtest]

So I wanted to float this out there. Not saying Al would be on the move, just want to get a gauge of what Hawks fans think of this in a blow up situation.

Horford + Korver

for

Amir Johnson + Terrence Ross + Chuck Hayes + Landry Fields + 2016 NY/Den first round pick


Toronto takes a big gamble and consolidates assets to acquire a star player when healthy, and a great shooter in Kyle.

Atlanta gets back a solid and underrated big in Amir, a nice young 3+D SG in Ross, expirings, and a first that may be late lottery.

I'd be interested in hearing what Atlanta fans think Horford's value is at, and if this deal sparks any interest.

[Texas Chuck]

Fields or Hayes + the pick probably doesn't even get you Korver. Then you have Ross, Amir, and another dead weight contract for Horford. Amir's value to a team dealing its best player goes way down especially since its expiring so now it's essentially Ross for Horford.

Not really close in terms of value at all.

[Hawk Eye]

Here is a thread I created to get a better look at Horfords value. Take a look at this whenever you get the time.

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1349877

As far as your trade proposal goes..Yikes.

Horford is one of the top 2 way bigs in the league when healthy. Korver is the best sniper in the NBA and shot 47% from the arc last season and has improved every single season thus far. So basically this trade doesn't get it done at all man.

[Golabki]

I agree with posters saying this is not nearly enough for Horford.

But... the idea of Horford to Toronto kind of makes makes sense in the sense Atlanta might decide to blow it up and Toronto might go all in on a chance to get Horford.

Just add 2 or 3 unprotected firsts.

[Jaseface]

This is vomit-worthy for ATL. They give up the best two players in the deal, and yet they still have to swallow Fields' contract?

[Scoot McGroot]

Honestly, if you want Horford AND Korver, it'd likely take 3, or maybe all 4, of Ross, Caboclo, Bebe Noguiera, and 1sts.

[nykballa2k4]

Here is a thread I created to get a better look at Horfords value. Take a look at this whenever you get the time.

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1349877

As far as your trade proposal goes..Yikes.

Horford is one of the top 2 way bigs in the league when healthy. Korver is the best sniper in the NBA and shot 47% from the arc last season and has improved every single season thus far. So basically this trade doesn't get it done at all man.

Korvers value is not just that he is "The best shooter" its that he is a known great shooter who doesn't get abused like Rihanna on defense.

What if the original deal were altered removing Korver and Fields?

[RonaldArtest]

Ok, thanks for the constructive feedback folks.

[Mr Swagtastic]

Honestly, if you want Horford AND Korver, it'd likely take 3, or maybe all 4, of Ross, Caboclo, Bebe Noguiera, and 1sts.

Value is there but I doubt Toronto wants to blow up their core for just Horford and Korver. I mean 4 very good young pieces and firsts is to steep. Is a team of Lowry/DeRozan/Korver/Horford/Jonas Valanciunas and no bench going to win a ring?

[Xman]

Horford would cost more than this deal. Korver has some positive value for ATL - just like Teague. Yes, they are both paid well but they still contribute solid minutes - just not like Horford.
I think Horford costs picks and prospects - and probably some nice picks.

Phoenix could offer some nice picks. Boston picks would be really nice also.

On a side note - noticing how a few teams have multiple 2nd round picks (Houston, Boston, ATL, Utah).
If ATL did a rebuild - it would be hilarious how many 2nds they could end up with (in addition to firsts).

Horford to Utah for Exum (or Kanter if Utah adds a couple of firsts) and 7 2nd rounders (just ones owed to Utah over 3 years).
Teague to Hou for TE and 7 2nd rounders over next three years.
Korver to Houston for Papanik, Capela, Motie and NO first.

[Scoot McGroot]

Honestly, if you want Horford AND Korver, it'd likely take 3, or maybe all 4, of Ross, Caboclo, Bebe Noguiera, and 1sts.

Value is there but I doubt Toronto wants to blow up their core for just Horford and Korver. I mean 4 very good young pieces and firsts is to steep. Is a team of Lowry/DeRozan/Korver/Horford/Jonas Valanciunas and no bench going to win a ring?

Is Bruno, Bebe, and future 1sts going to win you a ring this year as the centerpiece of your bench? I get what you're saying, but Bruno and Bebe are still big unknowns. Really hard to just assume their very good young pieces not worth trading for a top big man and the best sharpshooter in the league.

[Scoot McGroot]

On a side note - noticing how a few teams have multiple 2nd round picks (Houston, Boston, ATL, Utah).
If ATL did a rebuild - it would be hilarious how many 2nds they could end up with (in addition to firsts).

Excuse me....Philly already has that market sewn up, THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!!

[dms269]

Honestly, if you want Horford AND Korver, it'd likely take 3, or maybe all 4, of Ross, Caboclo, Bebe Noguiera, and 1sts.

Atlanta just dumped Bebe, it's not like he has positive value for Atlanta to want him back.

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[dms269]

Horford would cost more than this deal. Korver has some positive value for ATL - just like Teague. Yes, they are both paid well but they still contribute solid minutes - just not like Horford.
I think Horford costs picks and prospects - and probably some nice picks.

Phoenix could offer some nice picks. Boston picks would be really nice also.

On a side note - noticing how a few teams have multiple 2nd round picks (Houston, Boston, ATL, Utah).
If ATL did a rebuild - it would be hilarious how many 2nds they could end up with (in addition to firsts).

Horford to Utah for Exum (or Kanter if Utah adds a couple of firsts) and 7 2nd rounders (just ones owed to Utah over 3 years).
Teague to Hou for TE and 7 2nd rounders over next three years.
Korver to Houston for Papanik, Capela, Motie and NO first.

Houston wouldn't be able to get Teague for pure 2nds. He might not be a star but he is a solid starting pg who isn't paid a ton.

[Mr Swagtastic]

Honestly, if you want Horford AND Korver, it'd likely take 3, or maybe all 4, of Ross, Caboclo, Bebe Noguiera, and 1sts.

Atlanta just dumped Bebe, it's not like he has positive value for Atlanta to want him back.

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You dumped him to dump salary top try to be a player for a free agent in my opinion or that Lou was a bad fit somewhere in your organization ie locker room, bench or clashing with players or staff. Bebe has upside as a shotblocker and average to above average rebounder. Plus I think per CBA rules he can't be (Please Use More Appropriate Word) to your team anyways.

Honestly, if you want Horford AND Korver, it'd likely take 3, or maybe all 4, of Ross, Caboclo, Bebe Noguiera, and 1sts.

Value is there but I doubt Toronto wants to blow up their core for just Horford and Korver. I mean 4 very good young pieces and firsts is to steep. Is a team of Lowry/DeRozan/Korver/Horford/Jonas Valanciunas and no bench going to win a ring?

Is Bruno, Bebe, and future 1sts going to win you a ring this year as the centerpiece of your bench? I get what you're saying, but Bruno and Bebe are still big unknowns. Really hard to just assume their very good young pieces not worth trading for a top big man and the best sharpshooter in the league.

Well Horford is also a mystery is he going to play more then half to 2/3 if the season? When healthy he is a elite 2 way player in terms of value but if he doesn't work out you sold most of your young talent just to rent him that is the risk I am not willing to take.

I think The Hawks will find a better deal out there with some team majorly overpaying to get him

[goober]

Horford to Utah for Exum (or Kanter if Utah adds a couple of firsts) and 7 2nd rounders (just ones owed to Utah over 3 years).

No thanks, rather stick it out with our current roster

[dms269]

Honestly, if you want Horford AND Korver, it'd likely take 3, or maybe all 4, of Ross, Caboclo, Bebe Noguiera, and 1sts.

Atlanta just dumped Bebe, it's not like he has positive value for Atlanta to want him back.

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You dumped him to dump salary top try to be a player for a free agent in my opinion or that Lou was a bad fit somewhere in your organization ie locker room, bench or clashing with players or staff. Bebe has upside as a shotblocker and average to above average rebounder. Plus I think per CBA rules he can't be (Please Use More Appropriate Word) to your team anyways.

Value is there but I doubt Toronto wants to blow up their core for just Horford and Korver. I mean 4 very good young pieces and firsts is to steep. Is a team of Lowry/DeRozan/Korver/Horford/Jonas Valanciunas and no bench going to win a ring?

Is Bruno, Bebe, and future 1sts going to win you a ring this year as the centerpiece of your bench? I get what you're saying, but Bruno and Bebe are still big unknowns. Really hard to just assume their very good young pieces not worth trading for a top big man and the best sharpshooter in the league.

Well Horford is also a mystery is he going to play more then half to 2/3 if the season? When healthy he is a elite 2 way player in terms of value but if he doesn't work out you sold most of your young talent just to rent him that is the risk I am not willing to take.

I think The Hawks will find a better deal out there with some team majorly overpaying to get him

They did use him to try and dump Lou's salary, but his was only a 1 year deal. If he had great value they would have been able to get more in terms of value or wouldn't be forced to trade him.

Plus while Lou was a bit unhappy with his role, the rumor was that Bebe was lazy and wasn't really listening to his coaches overseas (the putting on weight and then getting injured). Atlanta is a heavy Euro recruiter, that bad press wasn't going to be good.