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Goran Dragic for Taj Gibson
PHX has a glut of guards and are very weak, defensively, up front. Taj helps shore up their defense, they can start Tucker and run a more traditional offense (still with a ton of 3 pt shooting)
Bulls get a much needed secondary ball handler while still having a pretty amazing frontcourt. Dragic also gives them insurance if/when Rose goes down and/or Butler gets a max contract and the Bulls dont want to match
PHX has a glut of guards and are very weak, defensively, up front. Taj helps shore up their defense, they can start Tucker and run a more traditional offense (still with a ton of 3 pt shooting)
Bulls get a much needed secondary ball handler while still having a pretty amazing frontcourt. Dragic also gives them insurance if/when Rose goes down and/or Butler gets a max contract and the Bulls dont want to match
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I kind of like it but I think the Bulls may ask for a late first back as well.
cbosh4mvp wrote:
Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.
Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.
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Reasonable idea, might need a little bit of balancing but the concept is realistic.
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Particularly not like the idea. The concept is good, but if it were to negotiate Dragig, try another Pf, with better post game (Taj have amazing defense). Something with Al Horford would be unfeasible? I think not. Maybe Plumlee + dragig + 2 picks (lakers pick obviously). what you guys think?
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Barkley_34 wrote:Particularly not like the idea. The concept is good, but if it were to negotiate Dragig, try another Pf, with better post game (Taj have amazing defense). Something with Al Horford would be unfeasible? I think not. Maybe Plumlee + dragig + 2 picks (lakers pick obviously). what you guys think?
Probably have to move Dragic to a third team for a different asset. Atlanta already has Teague and the German kid.
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Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.
Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.
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I think the Bulls would have to do this without thinking twice tbh.
I don't think Horford would be feasible - the Hawks already have Teague and Shroder @ PG.
I don't think Horford would be feasible - the Hawks already have Teague and Shroder @ PG.
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jbk1234 wrote:Barkley_34 wrote:Particularly not like the idea. The concept is good, but if it were to negotiate Dragig, try another Pf, with better post game (Taj have amazing defense). Something with Al Horford would be unfeasible? I think not. Maybe Plumlee + dragig + 2 picks (lakers pick obviously). what you guys think?
Probably have to move Dragic to a third team for a different asset. Atlanta already has Teague and the German kid.
I also think it possible, despite the Dragig play sg.
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Barkley_34 wrote:jbk1234 wrote:Barkley_34 wrote:Particularly not like the idea. The concept is good, but if it were to negotiate Dragig, try another Pf, with better post game (Taj have amazing defense). Something with Al Horford would be unfeasible? I think not. Maybe Plumlee + dragig + 2 picks (lakers pick obviously). what you guys think?
Probably have to move Dragic to a third team for a different asset. Atlanta already has Teague and the German kid.
I also think it possible, despite the Dragig play sg.
I think that Dragic gets away with that in Phoenix because of the type of player Bledsoe is. I'd be surprised if that success was duplicated with other PGs. The Suns are kind of playing with two combo guards.
cbosh4mvp wrote:
Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.
Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.
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This is actually a pretty interesting idea. Im not sure how ready to play Mirotic is, but Dragic is a great replacement for Rose for a year and if Rose can actually play we know Dragic can play some 2 as well.
Downside for Chicago is that they face the same problem Phoenix might this summer--can you pay 2 PG's that much of your salary cap? Hurts to give Taj for a rental, but Dragic probably makes them the favorites in the East.
Downside for Phoenix is I think Dragic is probably the best of the three PG's. But Gibson fits like a glove and this keeps them from potentially losing him for nothing.
Downside for Chicago is that they face the same problem Phoenix might this summer--can you pay 2 PG's that much of your salary cap? Hurts to give Taj for a rental, but Dragic probably makes them the favorites in the East.
Downside for Phoenix is I think Dragic is probably the best of the three PG's. But Gibson fits like a glove and this keeps them from potentially losing him for nothing.
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Bulls won't do it. Chuck hit on exactly why. Niko is not ready and he's especially not ready for playoff basketball. But also Dragic is a PG. Finally, I think I want Butler at SG rather than SF. His size at that spot really punishes teams that want to play smaller with two PGs--you know, like PHX..lol
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Was trying to think of a way to get Dragic to Chicago earlier but didn't know what Phoenix wants or needs but yeah, I'd do Taj for Drajic real fast and I love Taj.
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jbk1234 wrote:I kind of like it but I think the Bulls may ask for a late first back as well.
I like Gibson. But no way is he worth a fringe All-Star AND a pick.
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No way the Suns trade Dragic for Gibson. If he goes on the block, he's the centerpiece for a star. Otherwise we re sign him as planned. Of course his agent got word of Dragic's public desire to stay so he made him backtrack.
The Suns have shown a lot of faith in their bigs and Markieff in particular was given this year to prove he's our guy at PF. So far so good.
The Suns have shown a lot of faith in their bigs and Markieff in particular was given this year to prove he's our guy at PF. So far so good.
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I'm a huge Taj Gibson fan. I love his defense and he's also very good from the mid range which will help space the floor some.
If were to trade Dragic, Gibson is who I would want in return.
Not sure I want the Suns to trade Dragic though.
How about Isaiah Thomas for Gibson instead? IT is already locked into a team friendly contract so Chicago won't have to worry about paying him later.
If were to trade Dragic, Gibson is who I would want in return.
Not sure I want the Suns to trade Dragic though.
How about Isaiah Thomas for Gibson instead? IT is already locked into a team friendly contract so Chicago won't have to worry about paying him later.
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SF88 wrote:I'm a huge Taj Gibson fan. I love his defense and he's also very good from the mid range which will help space the floor some.
If were to trade Dragic, Gibson is who I would want in return.
Not sure I want the Suns to trade Dragic though.
How about Isaiah Thomas for Gibson instead? IT is already locked into a team friendly contract so Chicago won't have to worry about paying him later.
i like this a lot if Chicago can get Tolliver (60.5 TS% last season) from PHX to help out with floor spacing at PF.
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BizGilwalker wrote:SF88 wrote:I'm a huge Taj Gibson fan. I love his defense and he's also very good from the mid range which will help space the floor some.
If were to trade Dragic, Gibson is who I would want in return.
Not sure I want the Suns to trade Dragic though.
How about Isaiah Thomas for Gibson instead? IT is already locked into a team friendly contract so Chicago won't have to worry about paying him later.
i like this a lot if Chicago can get Tolliver (60.5 TS%) from PHX to help out with floor spacing at PF.
Done. Tolliver/IT for Gibson it is.
I'll email the commish.
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drosestruts wrote:Was trying to think of a way to get Dragic to Chicago earlier but didn't know what Phoenix wants or needs but yeah, I'd do Taj for Drajic real fast and I love Taj.
Pretty much agreed. I would be very nervous about mirotic playing 25-30 minutes a night as the primary PF since Gasol has to play about 18 at C while Noah's out.... But they need more scoring and a primary ball-handler. The bulls want a good record, they're gonna need homecourt a 1 vs. 4 seed I can see really mattering for them. If they can get Dragic while only giving up a bench player they would just have to do that even if it leaves they're frontcourt very dependant on injury prone guys and a technical rookie.
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damecurry wrote:drosestruts wrote:Was trying to think of a way to get Dragic to Chicago earlier but didn't know what Phoenix wants or needs but yeah, I'd do Taj for Drajic real fast and I love Taj.
Pretty much agreed. I would be very nervous about mirotic playing 25-30 minutes a night as the primary PF since Gasol has to play about 18 at C while Noah's out.... But they need more scoring and a primary ball-handler. The bulls want a good record, they're gonna need homecourt a 1 vs. 4 seed I can see really mattering for them. If they can get Dragic while only giving up a bench player they would just have to do that even if it leaves they're frontcourt very dependant on injury prone guys and a technical rookie.
The problem is I don't think most of us Suns fans want to trade Dragic for Gibson, and I think that sentiment would be echoed by our actual front office. We have every intention of retaining Dragic and he even came out and said he wants to be here (until someone, likely his agent, made him retract those statements and say he's going for the $$).
Regardless, we're going to pay him just like we paid Bledsoe because hell where else are we going to spend that money?
I would definitely love Gibson here, but you have to understand we just put big money into the Morris twins, neither of whom is a full time SF nor C. Adding Gibson is a definite upgrade, especially defensively, but then we've got 2 good PF's needing starters minutes and only one guard with size in Green who's also an FA after the season.
I would rather go after Noah if that's at all a possibility, or simply make it IT for Gibson.
I would not be okay with moving Dragic for Gibson under the current circumstances, not unless we've got a deal lined up that moves the Morris twins and other pieces for an upgrade at SG or C.
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I_Socrates wrote:damecurry wrote:drosestruts wrote:Was trying to think of a way to get Dragic to Chicago earlier but didn't know what Phoenix wants or needs but yeah, I'd do Taj for Drajic real fast and I love Taj.
Pretty much agreed. I would be very nervous about mirotic playing 25-30 minutes a night as the primary PF since Gasol has to play about 18 at C while Noah's out.... But they need more scoring and a primary ball-handler. The bulls want a good record, they're gonna need homecourt a 1 vs. 4 seed I can see really mattering for them. If they can get Dragic while only giving up a bench player they would just have to do that even if it leaves they're frontcourt very dependant on injury prone guys and a technical rookie.
The problem is I don't think most of us Suns fans want to trade Dragic for Gibson, and I think that sentiment would be echoed by our actual front office. We have every intention of retaining Dragic and he even came out and said he wants to be here (until someone, likely his agent, made him retract those statements and say he's going for the $$).
Regardless, we're going to pay him just like we paid Bledsoe because hell where else are we going to spend that money?
I would definitely love Gibson here, but you have to understand we just put big money into the Morris twins, neither of whom is a full time SF nor C. Adding Gibson is a definite upgrade, especially defensively, but then we've got 2 good PF's needing starters minutes and only one guard with size in Green who's also an FA after the season.
I would rather go after Noah if that's at all a possibility, or simply make it IT for Gibson.
I would not be okay with moving Dragic for Gibson under the current circumstances, not unless we've got a deal lined up that moves the Morris twins and other pieces for an upgrade at SG or C.
Kieff could go back to his regular 6th man PF position he played last year when he playing very well.
Marcus has played SF this entire season and is pretty good at it so he could stay there.
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That's not solving any problems and in fact might be one step forward for two steps back.
Losing Dragic means IT/Bledsoe playing together which is a disaster defensively full time.
Also the glut is moved to PF where either Gibson or Markieff will only get 20 minutes max unless we go REALLY small.
Losing Dragic means IT/Bledsoe playing together which is a disaster defensively full time.
Also the glut is moved to PF where either Gibson or Markieff will only get 20 minutes max unless we go REALLY small.
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