melo mvp 15 wrote:Mush Man wrote:melo mvp 15 wrote:It's worth noting that I don't think either of them are good triangle fits, but for back ups we might be able to let that slide.
I don't know. Seems like what you want from a triangle PG is good outside shooting, high basketball IQ, unselfishness, and the ability to work off ball (running around screens, etc). What you might be able to live without is above average speed and athleticism since you are not doing a bunch of driving to breakdown the defense.
Go read the nbadraft.net profile on Ennis. It seems like a perfect fit for a triangle PG for me. I could see him growing into the role in a few seasons and becoming a system based starter, where he might end up a back-up on a more ISO based offensive team,
Basically my proposed trade was a big and guard for a big and a guard. All 4 late first round picks. One proven rotation player (Plumlee and Hardaway) on each side, One player that has never really gotten minutes per side. Seems like a fair trade that meets both teams short and long term needs
Except Cole has played a bigger role over the past few games (except today) than the other 3 people in the trade.
I do understand your point. But if you dismiss the last few weeks (the Knicks are a truly terrible team) Cole Aldrich has never cracked the regular rotation of any team he has played on, usually only playing in 20 games or so, and then only playing 7 or 8 minutes. It would be one thing if he was in his 2nd year, but he is in his 5th year and is already 28 years old. I think it's hard to give much value to what he is doing in the last few weeks with the Knick fielding such a poorly constructed team. You could argue that a 5 year player with his record of not being able to stay on the court would be on the verge of being out of the league if he was a guard or small forward. Then again, bigs do come into their game later, so maybe there's a chance. I just doubt it.
The reason i set them apart in the proposed deal is that both Hardaway and Plumlee have basically played every game for the past 2 seasons, started a bunch of them, and in Hardaway's case made the all rookie team. To me they are proven NBA rotation players, and Aldrich is not.
As for why I think the deal is balanced, Hardaway and Plumlee make about the same money and have about the same amount of past success and struggles. Since Hardaway is younger and only in his 2nd year, he seems like the more valuable of the two.
To me, Ennis and Aldrich seem about of equal value, although only because Aldrich plays C and bigs are harder to come by. Aldrich is more proven, especially this year, even though there is nothing in his five year career that says he will ever be anything over a 7-10 min a game player. Ennis has more upside, but could also end up out of the league in 2-3 years like so many late first round guards.
The potential of Ennis and the fit for the Knicks (and lack of fit for the Suns) is what makes this seem like a balanced deal that both times might go for.
But I do understand your point as to why you might view Aldrich a bit more highly than I am.
