Which good PG's could I get for this package?

[bwgood77]

Heat offer any desired combination of these pieces :

2017 first round pick
Shabazz Napier
Josh McRoberts
Janes Ennis
Mario Chalmers
Norris Cole

Needed in return: a good starting PG for the present and future.

The Suns would likely trade Isaiah Thomas for McRoberts.

[lukekarts]

George Hill would be a good fit next to Wade, but I don't see Indiana trading him?

If they did, then I'd welcome him here.

[RexBoyWonder]

Heat offer any desired combination of these pieces :

2017 first round pick
Shabazz Napier
Josh McRoberts
Janes Ennis
Mario Chalmers
Norris Cole

Needed in return: a good starting PG for the present and future.

The Suns would likely trade Isaiah Thomas for McRoberts.

Stright up?

Heat should happily take it. Makes a lot of sense for them, And for the Suns too IMO. Mcbob will fit nicely there and he's on a great contract (Much like Thomas).

Heat can Also throw in Cole.

[Village Idiot]

I don't belive Miami can trade the 2017 pick. According to this Miami is unable to give up a 1st until 2019 at this time, at least until they convey a 1st to Philadelphia:http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed

2015 first round draft pick to Philadelphia
Miami's 1st round pick to Philadelphia (via Cleveland) protected for selections 1-10 in 2015 and 1-10 in 2016 and unprotected in 2017

[HartfordWhalers]

I don't belive Miami can trade the 2017 pick. According to this Miami is unable to give up a 1st until 2019 at this time, at least until they convey a 1st to Philadelphia:http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed

2015 first round draft pick to Philadelphia
Miami's 1st round pick to Philadelphia (via Cleveland) protected for selections 1-10 in 2015 and 1-10 in 2016 and unprotected in 2017

Miami can trade the 2017 1st, so long as its listed as 2017 first or next available. Then if the 2015 doesn't go to Philly, the 2017 automatically gets switched to a 2018. And if the 2016 doesn't get conveyed, it converts into a 2019 pick.

Philly did that to Orlando when they owed a first to Miami, and the Lakers did in the same Bynum spectacular trade:

2017 first round draft pick to Orlando
If at least two years after the L.A. Lakers conveyed a 1st round pick to Phoenix, then the L.A. Lakers' 1st round pick to Orlando protected for selections 1-5 in 2017 and 1-5 in 2018 and unprotected in 2019; if the L.A. Lakers have not conveyed a 1st round pick to Phoenix by 2017, then the L.A. Lakers will instead convey their 2017 2nd round pick and 2018 2nd round pick to Orlando [L.A. Lakers-Phoenix, 7/11/2012; L.A. Lakers-Orlando, 8/10/2012]

[Village Idiot]

I don't belive Miami can trade the 2017 pick. According to this Miami is unable to give up a 1st until 2019 at this time, at least until they convey a 1st to Philadelphia:http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed

2015 first round draft pick to Philadelphia
Miami's 1st round pick to Philadelphia (via Cleveland) protected for selections 1-10 in 2015 and 1-10 in 2016 and unprotected in 2017

Miami can trade the 2017 1st, so long as its listed as 2017 first or next available. Then if the 2015 doesn't go to Philly, the 2017 automatically gets switched to a 2018. And if the 2016 doesn't get conveyed, it converts into a 2019 pick.

Philly did that to Orlando when they owed a first to Miami, and the Lakers did in the same Bynum spectacular trade:

2017 first round draft pick to Orlando
If at least two years after the L.A. Lakers conveyed a 1st round pick to Phoenix, then the L.A. Lakers' 1st round pick to Orlando protected for selections 1-5 in 2017 and 1-5 in 2018 and unprotected in 2019; if the L.A. Lakers have not conveyed a 1st round pick to Phoenix by 2017, then the L.A. Lakers will instead convey their 2017 2nd round pick and 2018 2nd round pick to Orlando [L.A. Lakers-Phoenix, 7/11/2012; L.A. Lakers-Orlando, 8/10/2012]

Thanks for the clarification. That might be a while for a team to wait though.

[bwgood77]

Heat offer any desired combination of these pieces :

2017 first round pick
Shabazz Napier
Josh McRoberts
Janes Ennis
Mario Chalmers
Norris Cole

Needed in return: a good starting PG for the present and future.

The Suns would likely trade Isaiah Thomas for McRoberts.

Stright up?

Heat should happily take it. Makes a lot of sense for them, And for the Suns too IMO. Mcbob will fit nicely there and he's on a great contract (Much like Thomas).

Heat can Also throw in Cole.

I don't know that the Suns would have the roster space or would want the cap hit for anyone else. They have three point guards, even without Isaiah and also have Green, Bullock and Goodwin to play the 2. They'd perhaps try and get a future pick if they didn't think the value is the same. I feel Thomas is addition by subtraction because the chemistry has been impacted a bit and I think chances Dragic re-signs go up (perhaps significantly) if Thomas is moved. Not all fans feel this way though.

[greg4012]

If OKC can get Prigs for a 2nd from the Knicks I'm pretty down with Napier+1st for RJ, but I love Bazz. I would rather have Whiteside than the 1st, but he should be pretty untouchable at the moment. Hell I'd do RJ for Whiteside probably.

Really want a big in any RJ deal though. If OKC could route Perk and the 1st for a backup C and some savings that would be pretty solid overall.

Thoughts on something like Birdman plus one of the Miami PGs in exchange for Reggie Jackson and Perkins?

[Scoot McGroot]

Whiteside is untouchable. His contract until summer 2016 is incredibly low. I am open to flipping Napier but I'm dubious that RJ will return to the HEAT next season if another team offers him a fat contract.

I think everyone understands that until Whitesode either plateaus or regresses, there's simply no way he's traded the way he's been playing this season.

Also, RJ is a restricted free agent, so no matter the fat contract, you could match.

he also CANT get traded... too new.

I would do Calderon for Napier+McRoberts.

In other news...
Maybe something for George Hill?

Fair question. I can't for sure say that Bord wouldn't trade him; if the deal was right, I think he'd trade anyone except for Paul George. I just think that it's hard to find the right deal, and right now, Miami doesn't have the right pieces for us. There are some good pieces, but not the right ones for us. It'd have to be a 3 way of some sort.

[pad300]

The Spurs could be tempted into trading one of either Mills or Joseph.
Why? Trading Mills could free them up max cap space this summer, and Joseph is a FA (with Bird Rights) this summer. Getting assets for either of them might be a good long term move.

SAS would probably be looking for a package of either

Cole + 2017 1st
or
Napier + 2017 1st

Cole as he is expiring, or Napier as youngest and highest potential. There would also have to be some sort of filler to match salaries...

However, I am not certain that SAS would entertain breaking up the band, as both Mills and Joseph have been quite useful pieces in the past...

[R-DAWG]

been throwing this idea around in another thread assuming Denver is ready to rebuild:

Miami: Ty Lawson
Houston: Chris Anderson, Norris Cole
Denver: Miami 2017 1st (or whatever the next 1st they can trade is), Shabbaz Napier, Clint Capela, and 2 2nd rd picks from HOU (NYK's and Denver own returned)

[MoneyTalks41890]

been throwing this idea around in another thread assuming Denver is ready to rebuild:

Miami: Ty Lawson
Houston: Chris Anderson, Norris Cole
Denver: Miami 2017 1st (or whatever the next 1st they can trade is), Shabbaz Napier, Clint Capela, and 2 2nd rd picks from HOU (NYK's and Denver own returned)

That's pretty rough for Houston and not great for Denver. They would easily just cut out Miami and add assets.

[R-DAWG]

been throwing this idea around in another thread assuming Denver is ready to rebuild:

Miami: Ty Lawson
Houston: Chris Anderson, Norris Cole
Denver: Miami 2017 1st (or whatever the next 1st they can trade is), Shabbaz Napier, Clint Capela, and 2 2nd rd picks from HOU (NYK's and Denver own returned)

That's pretty rough for Houston and not great for Denver. They would easily just cut out Miami and add assets.

That's not really possible if Houston is looking to add a rim protector and keep a max slot open in 2016. But if not sure, Houston could throw in the New Orleans 1st and another small asset for Lawson if that's the route they chose to go. I don't see Lawson being a priority for them though.

[bwgood77]

been throwing this idea around in another thread assuming Denver is ready to rebuild:

Miami: Ty Lawson
Houston: Chris Anderson, Norris Cole
Denver: Miami 2017 1st (or whatever the next 1st they can trade is), Shabbaz Napier, Clint Capela, and 2 2nd rd picks from HOU (NYK's and Denver own returned)

Try throwing that idea onto the Nuggets board.

[R-DAWG]

been throwing this idea around in another thread assuming Denver is ready to rebuild:

Miami: Ty Lawson
Houston: Chris Anderson, Norris Cole
Denver: Miami 2017 1st (or whatever the next 1st they can trade is), Shabbaz Napier, Clint Capela, and 2 2nd rd picks from HOU (NYK's and Denver own returned)

Try throwing that idea onto the Nuggets board.

They think they can get the same package Philly got for Holiday, but Holiday was 5 years younger at the time of the trade. I think this package is more value than Boston got for Rondo.

[bwgood77]

been throwing this idea around in another thread assuming Denver is ready to rebuild:

Miami: Ty Lawson
Houston: Chris Anderson, Norris Cole
Denver: Miami 2017 1st (or whatever the next 1st they can trade is), Shabbaz Napier, Clint Capela, and 2 2nd rd picks from HOU (NYK's and Denver own returned)

Try throwing that idea onto the Nuggets board.

They think they can get the same package Philly got for Holiday, but Holiday was 5 years younger at the time of the trade. I think this package is more value than Boston got for Rondo.

Well, firstly I don't think Denver has any intention of trading Lawson, but secondly, the return on Rondo was poor primarily because he is going to be an unrestricted free agent. A premier pg who is under contract for two years on a very good deal is MUCH more valuable. On top of that Rondo will probably want a max deal or close to it. Since you can't get actual value for point guards (because the league is flush with them), he should be a piece they hang onto, even if they rebuild.