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Charlotte/N.O. 

Post#1 » by jbk1234 » Mon Jan 26, 2015 11:41 pm

Charlotte out: Lance/Hendo
Charlotte in: E. Gordon

N.O. out: E. Gordon/Salmons
N.O. in: Lance/Hendo

Why for Charlotte: Gordon makes $8 million less per year than J. Johnson, is healthy (at least for now), and can play the combo guard with Kemba out. His contract is for two years but so is Hendo's and Lance's is for three.

Why for N.O.: Lance can play SF - particularly on defense. Hendo is a solid 2 guard.

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Post#2 » by bondom34 » Mon Jan 26, 2015 11:45 pm

If I'm Charlotte, I'd rather JJ than Gordon. At least JJ is healthier more often, and if Hendo's going out its basically a wash anyway.
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Post#3 » by jbk1234 » Mon Jan 26, 2015 11:49 pm

bondom34 wrote:If I'm Charlotte, I'd rather JJ than Gordon. At least JJ is healthier more often, and if Hendo's going out its basically a wash anyway.


JJ has tendinitis right now though while Gordon is back and playing pretty well with Jrue out. With Kemba likely out for a while, I confess I'm having a hard time figuring out what the Hornets are trying accomplish. If they are just dumping Lance though, I'd rather dump him for the $15 million contract than the $22 million contract.
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Re: Charlotte/N.O. 

Post#4 » by bondom34 » Mon Jan 26, 2015 11:52 pm

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bondom34 wrote:If I'm Charlotte, I'd rather JJ than Gordon. At least JJ is healthier more often, and if Hendo's going out its basically a wash anyway.


JJ has tendinitis right now though while Gordon is back and playing pretty well with Jrue out. With Kemba likely out for a while, I confess I'm having a hard time figuring out what the Hornets are trying accomplish. If they are just dumping Lance though, I'd rather dump him for the $15 million contract than the $22 million contract.

Eh, I'd take JJ over Gordon even using contract, just b/c of the fact that I think JJ is more likely to be more productive. That said, w/ Kemba out, I don't get the idea for Charlotte in getting Johnson anyway, if they were healthy I thought it made some sense, but now not so much.
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Re: Charlotte/N.O. 

Post#5 » by pelifan » Tue Jan 27, 2015 12:02 am

Tyreke, Henderson, Lance, Pondexter could help rebuild NO.

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Makes no on court sense for NO, financially is definitively a good trade, smaller contracts are easier to move.
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Post#6 » by jbk1234 » Tue Jan 27, 2015 12:07 am

pelifan wrote:Tyreke, Henderson, Lance, Pondexter could help rebuild NO.

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Makes no on court sense for NO, financially is definitively a good trade, smaller contracts are easier to move.


Yeah but you guys have Rino who helps with spacing. Hendo and Lance can keep their man in front of them which is something that N.O. has been missing for a while.
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Re: Charlotte/N.O. 

Post#7 » by HornetJail » Tue Jan 27, 2015 12:20 am

Hendo+Marvin for Eric Gordon is as far as I would go.
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Post#8 » by jbk1234 » Tue Jan 27, 2015 12:24 am

BizGilwalker wrote:Hendo+Marvin for Eric Gordon is as far as I would go.


I get that but based on the rumor mill your FO seems pretty motivated to move Lance. Also, if the Pelicans can't get back a guy who can play SF, the trade makes zero sense for them.
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Charlotte/N.O. 

Post#9 » by jayjaysee » Tue Jan 27, 2015 12:44 am

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BizGilwalker wrote:Hendo+Marvin for Eric Gordon is as far as I would go.


I get that but based on the rumor mill your FO seems pretty motivated to move Lance. Also, if the Pelicans can't get back a guy who can play SF, the trade makes zero sense for them.


I'd think Hendo is a better SF than Lance?

Maybe I'm in minority there.

I do think NOP would want a true SF given Gordon is playing at a pretty high level right now... It'd make sense to bet on him falling again, but don't think real NBA Pelicans would make that bet

But something like

Hendo+Marvin for Gordon+Babbitt
Joe+Brown+Jefferson for Hendo+Marvin+Salmons+Ajinca
Gordon+Salmons+Babbitt+one other min guy for Joe+Brown+Jefferson

Seems to make sense? NOP gets what they might want in Joe and probably can make a really strong run next season... Extra guys added for salaries to work and figure NOP might as well take the cheap filler rather than Brooklyn waiving them.

But really - I think Char and Brooklyn would just deal Lance+Marvin+Hendo for Joe type rumored deal and be happier.


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Post#10 » by jbk1234 » Tue Jan 27, 2015 12:58 am

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jbk1234 wrote:
BizGilwalker wrote:Hendo+Marvin for Eric Gordon is as far as I would go.


I get that but based on the rumor mill your FO seems pretty motivated to move Lance. Also, if the Pelicans can't get back a guy who can play SF, the trade makes zero sense for them.


I'd think Hendo is a better SF than Lance?

Maybe I'm in minority there.

I do think NOP would want a true SF given Gordon is playing at a pretty high level right now... It'd make sense to bet on him falling again, but don't think real NBA Pelicans would make that bet

But something like

Hendo+Marvin for Gordon+Babbitt
Joe+Brown+Jefferson for Hendo+Marvin+Salmons+Ajinca
Gordon+Salmons+Babbitt+one other min guy for Joe+Brown+Jefferson

Seems to make sense? NOP gets what they might want in Joe and probably can make a really strong run next season... Extra guys added for salaries to work and figure NOP might as well take the cheap filler rather than Brooklyn waiving them.

But really - I think Char and Brooklyn would just deal Lance+Marvin+Hendo for Joe type rumored deal and be happier.


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Hendo is on the small side for a SG. Marvin is useless for a team that already has Rhino. I get that some Hornets fans don't want to trade Lance but it seems like that train is leaving the station whether they are on board or not. I get the injury concern about Gordon but JJ is injured right now and he's 33. He should be shut down before tendinitis becomes something more serious. Unless Charlotte is unloading all their unwanted contracts for JJ and playing for next season, I don't get it.
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Post#11 » by jayjaysee » Tue Jan 27, 2015 1:36 am

jbk1234 wrote:
jayjaysee wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
I get that but based on the rumor mill your FO seems pretty motivated to move Lance. Also, if the Pelicans can't get back a guy who can play SF, the trade makes zero sense for them.


I'd think Hendo is a better SF than Lance?

Maybe I'm in minority there.

I do think NOP would want a true SF given Gordon is playing at a pretty high level right now... It'd make sense to bet on him falling again, but don't think real NBA Pelicans would make that bet

But something like

Hendo+Marvin for Gordon+Babbitt
Joe+Brown+Jefferson for Hendo+Marvin+Salmons+Ajinca
Gordon+Salmons+Babbitt+one other min guy for Joe+Brown+Jefferson

Seems to make sense? NOP gets what they might want in Joe and probably can make a really strong run next season... Extra guys added for salaries to work and figure NOP might as well take the cheap filler rather than Brooklyn waiving them.

But really - I think Char and Brooklyn would just deal Lance+Marvin+Hendo for Joe type rumored deal and be happier.


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Hendo is on the small side for a SG. Marvin is useless for a team that already has Rhino. I get that some Hornets fans don't want to trade Lance but it seems like that train is leaving the station whether they are on board or not. I get the injury concern about Gordon but JJ is injured right now and he's 33. He should be shut down before tendinitis becomes something more serious. Unless Charlotte is unloading all their unwanted contracts for JJ and playing for next season, I don't get it.


I agree, Char should keep Lance over Joe, unless it's just an organization decision which it seems like it could be you're right.. They should be calling about almost every vet starting status PF in the league (low standard) and offer Hairston+Marvin+their first and Neal if needed for contract matching...

Joe fits the idea of the team - but Lance fits better (if not crazy)

- also I didn't suggest Marvin go to NOP, I just said Hendo works at small forward if necessary. Which isn't an outrageous idea, he's played plenty there, right?

Brooklyn probably doesn't trade Joe for Hendo+Marvin as it hurts the on court and the savings might not be worth it - though Hend probably opts out saving Brooklyn 17 million..... But char shouldn't trade Lance and take on Joe without some incentive.. And Brooklyn has no incentive to give really.

I just suggested something that would seem to work better for New Orleans

Asik/Davis/Ryno/Joe/Evans/Jrue... That team could realistically close the gap and get the 8th seed this year.. And next year if they bring Asik back with an offseason together and some rest... Would be a big improvement.

Maybe Joe wouldn't be the number one target for NOP, but if that's all it cost - I think they'd do it. And Gordon wouldn't be number one target, but if that's all it cost - I think they'd do it.

But either way - I think Char is better off with the players they have today than the suggested trade.




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