Lee For Wallace (Bos/GSW)

[giberish]

Simple deal - Wallace for Lee

For Boston, they add $5M in salary to get a solid rotation player without any long-term cost. Lee's not great, but on a worse/less deep team than GS he can sill be a solid rotation player. This could also be expanded to a 3rd team if Boston is using Wallace for salary filler and the 3rd team isn't going full 76er and would prefer Lee.

For GS, the save $5M, and they can waive and stretch Wallace, reducing their salary for next year by another $6+M. Even if they spend $3-5M on a replacement reserve big that's still a $6-9M payroll reduction without hurting the team on-court. There's some concern about pushing Wallace's contract into the next two years, but just keeping the players they want will keep GS out of having useful cap room while the luxury tax line should be so high they can stay under it.

[Laimbeer]

A bit tilted to Boston. Lee is more than $5M better than Wallace.

[Drax]

No thanks from Boston. Without a doubt Lee is a far better player than Wallace at this point, but he doesn't add anything to the current Celtics team that validates $5M on our payroll. Boston could use this $5M to address real needs on our roster and there are plenty.

Boston either has to continue develop the current young players or add a star, i don't see a point in swaping roleplayers (especially if they create a longjam this case PF) at this stage of the rebuild.

[HornetJail]

Charlotte sends in an offer to Golden State- Marvin Williams and Brian Roberts for David Lee- about $300k less salary, and better production than Wallace. Lee is worth more than that, but this is definitely better than just Wallace.

[gswhoops]

^^ Are they expiring?

[HornetJail]

^^ Are they expiring?

yes.

[azwfan]

Charlotte sends in an offer to Golden State- Marvin Williams and Brian Roberts for David Lee- about $300k less salary, and better production than Wallace. Lee is worth more than that, but this is definitely better than just Wallace.

Are these guys injured? If not, I accept this trade.

[azwfan]

Simple deal - Wallace for Lee

For Boston, they add $5M in salary to get a solid rotation player without any long-term cost. Lee's not great, but on a worse/less deep team than GS he can sill be a solid rotation player. This could also be expanded to a 3rd team if Boston is using Wallace for salary filler and the 3rd team isn't going full 76er and would prefer Lee.

For GS, the save $5M, and they can waive and stretch Wallace, reducing their salary for next year by another $6+M. Even if they spend $3-5M on a replacement reserve big that's still a $6-9M payroll reduction without hurting the team on-court. There's some concern about pushing Wallace's contract into the next two years, but just keeping the players they want will keep GS out of having useful cap room while the luxury tax line should be so high they can stay under it.

As for this trade... I think even if we trade Lee for Wallace, and then stretch provision Wallace, we will still only be able to use the Tax Payers MLE... which is like 2.5M. Think we take a pretty decent hit using this strategy. I'd prefer to get someone who we can use... even if its sparingly. Is Wallace completely useless now a days?

[azwfan]

^^ Are they expiring?

yes.

Hey, Marvin Williams is a sub 70% FT shooter now? He was an 80% ft guy before. Is he unhappy in CHA?

[HornetJail]

^^ Are they expiring?

yes.

Hey, Marvin Williams is a sub 70% FT shooter now? He was an 80% ft guy before. Is he unhappy in CHA?

seems happy here, but he's just extraordinarily ordinary as a basketball player. He seems like a really nice locker room guy, he's just not very good at anything, and he's miscast as a PF here for some reason.

[azwfan]

yes.

Hey, Marvin Williams is a sub 70% FT shooter now? He was an 80% ft guy before. Is he unhappy in CHA?

seems happy here, but he's just extraordinarily ordinary as a basketball player. He seems like a really nice locker room guy, he's just not very good at anything, and he's miscast as a PF here for some reason.

We'll hand him over to Ron Adams and make him useful. Trade accepted.

[ChuckDurn]

Charlotte sends in an offer to Golden State- Marvin Williams and Brian Roberts for David Lee- about $300k less salary, and better production than Wallace. Lee is worth more than that, but this is definitely better than just Wallace.

Pretty sure the Warriors would jump on this if it was offered. I certainly would.

It would save something like $5.6M in salary, probably around $9M more in the tax, and would return a couple of guys with contracts that would be much easier to move at the deadline (should they want to do so) than Lee's massive deal. Plus, Williams might actually be a nice fit in the Warriors' scheme of switching everything, as he could be another pretty good 6'8" stretch 4 for the team.

Nice deal. I'd definitely take it. Couldn't imagine Lee playing next to Jefferson on the front line in Charlotte, but that's not mine to worry about......

[giberish]

Simple deal - Wallace for Lee

For Boston, they add $5M in salary to get a solid rotation player without any long-term cost. Lee's not great, but on a worse/less deep team than GS he can sill be a solid rotation player. This could also be expanded to a 3rd team if Boston is using Wallace for salary filler and the 3rd team isn't going full 76er and would prefer Lee.

For GS, the save $5M, and they can waive and stretch Wallace, reducing their salary for next year by another $6+M. Even if they spend $3-5M on a replacement reserve big that's still a $6-9M payroll reduction without hurting the team on-court. There's some concern about pushing Wallace's contract into the next two years, but just keeping the players they want will keep GS out of having useful cap room while the luxury tax line should be so high they can stay under it.

As for this trade... I think even if we trade Lee for Wallace, and then stretch provision Wallace, we will still only be able to use the Tax Payers MLE... which is like 2.5M. Think we take a pretty decent hit using this strategy. I'd prefer to get someone who we can use... even if its sparingly. Is Wallace completely useless now a days?

GS could add a player back with the $5M difference in salaries (though it couldn't be a S&T, but someone under contract). They'd only have the mini-MLE for FA's.

Obviously if GS can get more salary relief, or a useful, cheaper player in return that's preferable but those may require additional assets out from GS and I doubt the team wants to use 1st round picks or Barnes for that.

[Warriorfan]

I'd do the deals posted but pretty sure the Warriors will end up getting better.

At the deadline to 76ers for a TPE so they get to the floor.

[Maple Green]

For Boston, I would agree on this trade in ONE CONDITION- The TPE of Wallace was credited to Boston like Rondo trade type.

Then Boston trade Lee + Sixers 2015 2nd round pick trade to Sixers for Noel Nerlins

PG-Smart,IT,Pressey
SG-Turner,Bradley
SF-Crowder,Datome,Jerebko
PF-KO,Sully,Bass
C-Zeller,Nerlins

[Drax]

As for this trade... I think even if we trade Lee for Wallace, and then stretch provision Wallace, we will still only be able to use the Tax Payers MLE... which is like 2.5M. Think we take a pretty decent hit using this strategy. I'd prefer to get someone who we can use... even if its sparingly. Is Wallace completely useless now a days?

Depends on what you expect out of him. He reguarly gets his DNPs and if he plays he rarely produces on offense. He's a professional about his situation though and mentors the young guys in Boston. He is Stevens man to feel out the lockerroom and acts like an additional assistant coach therefore. If Wallace gets playing time, he offers still pretty good defense and hustle plays, but thats about it.

[HartfordWhalers]

For Boston, I would agree on this trade in ONE CONDITION- The TPE of Wallace was credited to Boston like Rondo trade type.

Then Boston trade Lee + Sixers 2015 2nd round pick trade to Sixers for Noel Nerlins

PG-Smart,IT,Pressey
SG-Turner,Bradley
SF-Crowder,Datome,Jerebko
PF-KO,Sully,Bass
C-Zeller,Nerlins

So, your thinking is Philly would trade Noel for a 15m bad contract and a second rounder?

[KuruptedCav]

I think Boston passes. They have something working with their young core of bigs with Zeller, Olynyk, and Sullinger; and their pick projects to be in the middle of a group of bigs: Willie Cauley-Stein, Kevon Looney, Try Lyles, and Bobby Portis. I cannot see them bringing in a player who could take minutes from the 4/5; unless something stupid happens like Stanley Johnson falling to the 10th pick.

[Bentley1225]

The salary difference vs. production of both players isn't worth the $5 million in savings for the Warriors. Secondly, I dont think Celtics want to cannibalize minutes for Zeller, Olynyk and Sullinger as each of those guys should get 25 mpg.

[Laimbeer]

Wouldn't be shocked or thrilled, but I can see the Pistons using Lee as a stopgap if they strike out in free agency. My guess is Jackson gets a big contract, but that's it. Monroe will probably walk. There will be cap space.